Hi all,
I think we get enough unsubscribe messages on this list that they should
just be handled automatically.
What say the ruby masses? Good idea or encouraging bad behavior?
Regards,
Dan
Berger, Daniel wrote:
I think we get enough unsubscribe messages on this list that they should
just be handled automatically.What say the ruby masses? Good idea or encouraging bad behavior?
The list should continue as is. When I get an unsubscribe message, my rules are trained to killfile the sender.
Remember, if an unsubscribe message reaches your mailbox, the sender isn't opting out of the list, the sender is asking to be removed from communication with you personally. If you change the list, you'll break my rules and a huge rift will form in the talkiverse.
Cool, great, rtfm,
_why
Hmmm... I once unsubscribed from one email address and subscribed
under another, then after I had too many problems I wen back to my
original email address. If I had made one of these unsubscribe errors
when I did that, then you'd never get any of my ruby-talk postings!
Maybe that's a good thing. 
Curt
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On 9/23/05, why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@whytheluckystiff.net> wrote:
Berger, Daniel wrote:
> I think we get enough unsubscribe messages on this list that they should
> just be handled automatically.
>
> What say the ruby masses? Good idea or encouraging bad behavior?
>
The list should continue as is. When I get an unsubscribe message, my
rules are trained to killfile the sender.Remember, if an unsubscribe message reaches your mailbox, the sender
isn't opting out of the list, the sender is asking to be removed from
communication with you personally. If you change the list, you'll break
my rules and a huge rift will form in the talkiverse.Cool, great, rtfm,
_why
why the lucky stiff wrote:
Remember, if an unsubscribe message reaches your mailbox, the sender
isn't opting out of the list, the sender is asking to be removed from
communication with you personally. If you change the list, you'll break
my rules and a huge rift will form in the talkiverse.
So all those misdirected "unsubscribe" posts were in fact asking me
personally to put the sender in my killfile. Are you serious?
If someone sends "unsubscribe" to ruby-core (but not ruby-talk), then I
should never listen to them again on any other list (including ruby-talk)?
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Hmm... on an unsubscribe-related note, does anybody know how I might
unsubscribe an old email addy that I can't send from anymore? I signed
up to this ML under an old address that is now defunct, but that
forwards all mail to my new addy, which I have also registered, so I
can contribute to the ML. Basically, the situation is now that I
receive double of every email, but I can't send an unsubscribe to the
listbot, since I can't send from the old address. I've tried the human
administrator email a couple of times, but never got a response...
-Patrick
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On 9/23/05, Curt Hibbs <curt.hibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/23/05, why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@whytheluckystiff.net> wrote:
> Berger, Daniel wrote:
> > I think we get enough unsubscribe messages on this list that they should
> > just be handled automatically.
> >
> > What say the ruby masses? Good idea or encouraging bad behavior?
> >
> The list should continue as is. When I get an unsubscribe message, my
> rules are trained to killfile the sender.
>
> Remember, if an unsubscribe message reaches your mailbox, the sender
> isn't opting out of the list, the sender is asking to be removed from
> communication with you personally. If you change the list, you'll break
> my rules and a huge rift will form in the talkiverse.
>
> Cool, great, rtfm,
>
> _whyHmmm... I once unsubscribed from one email address and subscribed
under another, then after I had too many problems I wen back to my
original email address. If I had made one of these unsubscribe errors
when I did that, then you'd never get any of my ruby-talk postings!Maybe that's a good thing.
Curt
Joel VanderWerf wrote:
why the lucky stiff wrote:
Remember, if an unsubscribe message reaches your mailbox, the sender
isn't opting out of the list, the sender is asking to be removed from
communication with you personally. If you change the list, you'll break
my rules and a huge rift will form in the talkiverse.
So all those misdirected "unsubscribe" posts were in fact asking me
personally to put the sender in my killfile. Are you serious?If someone sends "unsubscribe" to ruby-core (but not ruby-talk), then I
should never listen to them again on any other list (including ruby-talk)?
Correct. That is, unless he sends you "subscribe."
Devin
why the lucky stiff wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
personally to put the sender in my killfile. Are you serious?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some questions answer themselves (:
martin
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Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@path.berkeley.edu> wrote:
How did you manage to get your old mail address defunct but it still receievs and forwards mail? If you forgot your pwd isn't there a procedure to go through to recover it?
Curious...
robert
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Patrick Fernie <patrick.fernie@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm... on an unsubscribe-related note, does anybody know how I might
unsubscribe an old email addy that I can't send from anymore? I signed
up to this ML under an old address that is now defunct, but that
forwards all mail to my new addy, which I have also registered, so I
can contribute to the ML. Basically, the situation is now that I
receive double of every email, but I can't send an unsubscribe to the
listbot, since I can't send from the old address. I've tried the human
administrator email a couple of times, but never got a response...
-Patrick
Patrick Fernie wrote:
Hmm... on an unsubscribe-related note, does anybody know how I might
unsubscribe an old email addy that I can't send from anymore? I signed
up to this ML under an old address that is now defunct, but that
forwards all mail to my new addy, which I have also registered, so I
can contribute to the ML. Basically, the situation is now that I
receive double of every email, but I can't send an unsubscribe to the
listbot, since I can't send from the old address. I've tried the human
administrator email a couple of times, but never got a response...
Have you tried spoofing the old address? If there is a confirmation, you'll get the replay anyway.
James
It's an old university account that I'm no longer allowed to send mail
from the account; it's simply set up to forward mail, or discard it.
That is to say, they don't maintain a mailbox for the account.
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On 9/23/05, Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net> wrote:
Patrick Fernie <patrick.fernie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm... on an unsubscribe-related note, does anybody know how I might
> unsubscribe an old email addy that I can't send from anymore? I signed
> up to this ML under an old address that is now defunct, but that
> forwards all mail to my new addy, which I have also registered, so I
> can contribute to the ML. Basically, the situation is now that I
> receive double of every email, but I can't send an unsubscribe to the
> listbot, since I can't send from the old address. I've tried the human
> administrator email a couple of times, but never got a response...
> -PatrickHow did you manage to get your old mail address defunct but it still
receievs and forwards mail? If you forgot your pwd isn't there a procedure
to go through to recover it?Curious...
robert
As long as you have access to something the likes of sendmail (plenty of
perl modules I know of and probably some ruby ones I don't know of) you cand
send a mail with any address you want. I get spam that claims to be from my
brother's email address (despite the first line being "Hi, my name is
LaFonda!") all the time.
HOWEVER, some (unfortunately not as many as there should be) servers will
perform a reverse DNS lookup on the domain you *claim* to be sending from,
and reject the email if it doesn't match the actual senders IP.
So... the questions are:
1) Does ruby-lang.org <http://ruby-lang.org> (or any intermediate SMTP
relay) perform RDNS checking?
2) Do you have access to some sendmail-ish program/library?
If the answers are No and Yes, respectively, than you can spoof the old
address and unsubscribe yourself. Otherwise... good luck getting a hold of
the human admin (or hacking into the old address' server).
Jacob Fugal
Wow, talk about being dense (me, not you). A simple spoofed email
worked perfectly. Thanks!
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On 9/23/05, Jacob Fugal <lukfugl@gmail.com> wrote:
As long as you have access to something the likes of sendmail (plenty of
perl modules I know of and probably some ruby ones I don't know of) you cand
send a mail with any address you want. I get spam that claims to be from my
brother's email address (despite the first line being "Hi, my name is
LaFonda!") all the time.HOWEVER, some (unfortunately not as many as there should be) servers will
perform a reverse DNS lookup on the domain you *claim* to be sending from,
and reject the email if it doesn't match the actual senders IP.So... the questions are:
1) Does ruby-lang.org <http://ruby-lang.org> (or any intermediate SMTP
relay) perform RDNS checking?
2) Do you have access to some sendmail-ish program/library?If the answers are No and Yes, respectively, than you can spoof the old
address and unsubscribe yourself. Otherwise... good luck getting a hold of
the human admin (or hacking into the old address' server).Jacob Fugal
This is meant for the OP (or the guy that is trying to unsubscribe an old
address):
Have you tried sending "help" in the body of a(n otherwise blank) message to:
Try that, I suspect they'll have the commands you need to unsubscribe from a
different email address. (Many mail list programs do.)
Randy Kramer
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On Friday 23 September 2005 04:14 pm, Jacob Fugal wrote:
For future reference you can now add that old email address to your gmail
account and use it as your "From" address (
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=gmail&hl=en&answer=20616\)
Josh
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On 9/23/05, Patrick Fernie <patrick.fernie@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, talk about being dense (me, not you). A simple spoofed email
worked perfectly. Thanks!
I didn't know this feature. Sounds like Google's version of Reply-To. I guess they only change the From: header, do they? (I'd be surprised if they also changed the envelope as then a lot of mail servers wouldn't accept these emails.)
Kind regards
robert
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Josh Knowles <joshknowles@gmail.com> wrote:
For future reference you can now add that old email address to your
gmail account and use it as your "From" address (
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=gmail&hl=en&answer=20616\)