Actually I did go to last month’s Ruby Group (If you guys are watching I
was the newbie). It was quite helpful, and I even came out with a free
‘Learn Ruby in 21 days’ (thanks Francis), but my impression was that it
was more oriented toward the language itself than to Rails, esp. as it’s
been around longer than Rails has existed. We talked about Rails a bit,
but I don’t want to inadvertantly steer those meetings into discussions
just about Rails. So I will continue to attend them, but if there is
enough interest in NYC I’d like to start one that focuses on Rails
itself. There are plenty of developers here and I’d wager the interest
is only going to grow.
Actually I’m no where near NYC, so I didn’t see you at the last meeting. ;^)
I am concerned though that by starting Rails specific groups, we fragment a
community that is still fairly young. I think having a RoR group is a great
idea, but I’d rather see it run in cooperation with an NYC.rb (or whatever). I
think the new Rails folks can learn a lot from experienced Rubyists, and the
‘old timers’ can certainly get a boost from the new folks that RoR will bring
in.
We are often unable to tell people what they need to know, because
they want to know something else, and would therefore only
misunderstand what we said
I fully agree about learning from the ‘elders’, and that cooperation and
cross-talk should be encouraged from the start. I don’t think
fragmenting interests is too much of a concern at this point, though, as
anyone coding for RoR is likely to be pretty interested in Ruby as a
language anyway. I certainly am. In fact I plan to encourage anyone
coming to the RoR to go to the NYC.rb as well. Depending on the size of
the interest (I have 4 ppl so far), maybe we’ll ask the NYC.rb leader
(Francis I know you’re on ruby-talk) to set aside some time for each
meeting just to focus on RoR.
My rationale for wanting to start a Rails-specific group is that the
ruby-nyc group is for the language, and those members have interests
that don’t necessarily deal directly with the web. While they would
probably be interested to hear new members talk about Rails (and they
were when I did so), I wouldn’t want to alienate them by hogging the
discussion about the Web.
Since this is going to the Ruby-talk list… any Ruby folks there
interested in a NYC meetup?
Actually I did go to last month’s Ruby Group (If you guys are watching I
was the newbie). It was quite helpful, and I even came out with a free
‘Learn Ruby in 21 days’ (thanks Francis), but my impression was that it
was more oriented toward the language itself than to Rails, esp. as it’s
been around longer than Rails has existed. We talked about Rails a bit,
but I don’t want to inadvertantly steer those meetings into discussions
just about Rails. So I will continue to attend them, but if there is
enough interest in NYC I’d like to start one that focuses on Rails
itself. There are plenty of developers here and I’d wager the interest
is only going to grow.
Actually I’m no where near NYC, so I didn’t see you at the last meeting. ;^)
I am concerned though that by starting Rails specific groups, we fragment a
community that is still fairly young. I think having a RoR group is a great
idea, but I’d rather see it run in cooperation with an NYC.rb (or whatever). I
think the new Rails folks can learn a lot from experienced Rubyists, and the
‘old timers’ can certainly get a boost from the new folks that RoR will bring
in.
I’ve created a new Yahoo Group for RoR in NYC called rubyonrails-nyc
I encourage anyone with an interest in Ruby AND/OR RoR to join. I’ll
work out the details of setting up a meetup soon.
Thanks,
Matt
Matt Pelletier wrote:
···
Pat,
I fully agree about learning from the ‘elders’, and that cooperation and
cross-talk should be encouraged from the start. I don’t think
fragmenting interests is too much of a concern at this point, though, as
anyone coding for RoR is likely to be pretty interested in Ruby as a
language anyway. I certainly am. In fact I plan to encourage anyone
coming to the RoR to go to the NYC.rb as well. Depending on the size of
the interest (I have 4 ppl so far), maybe we’ll ask the NYC.rb leader
(Francis I know you’re on ruby-talk) to set aside some time for each
meeting just to focus on RoR.
My rationale for wanting to start a Rails-specific group is that the
ruby-nyc group is for the language, and those members have interests
that don’t necessarily deal directly with the web. While they would
probably be interested to hear new members talk about Rails (and they
were when I did so), I wouldn’t want to alienate them by hogging the
discussion about the Web.
Since this is going to the Ruby-talk list… any Ruby folks there
interested in a NYC meetup?
Actually I did go to last month’s Ruby Group (If you guys are watching I
was the newbie). It was quite helpful, and I even came out with a free
‘Learn Ruby in 21 days’ (thanks Francis), but my impression was that it
was more oriented toward the language itself than to Rails, esp. as it’s
been around longer than Rails has existed. We talked about Rails a bit,
but I don’t want to inadvertantly steer those meetings into discussions
just about Rails. So I will continue to attend them, but if there is
enough interest in NYC I’d like to start one that focuses on Rails
itself. There are plenty of developers here and I’d wager the interest
is only going to grow.
Actually I’m no where near NYC, so I didn’t see you at the last
meeting. ;^)
I am concerned though that by starting Rails specific groups, we
fragment a community that is still fairly young. I think having a RoR
group is a great idea, but I’d rather see it run in cooperation with
an NYC.rb (or whatever). I
think the new Rails folks can learn a lot from experienced Rubyists,
and the
‘old timers’ can certainly get a boost from the new folks that RoR
will bring
in.
I fully agree about learning from the ‘elders’, and that cooperation and
cross-talk should be encouraged from the start. I don’t think
fragmenting interests is too much of a concern at this point, though, as
anyone coding for RoR is likely to be pretty interested in Ruby as a
language anyway. I certainly am. In fact I plan to encourage anyone
coming to the RoR to go to the NYC.rb as well. Depending on the size of
the interest (I have 4 ppl so far), maybe we’ll ask the NYC.rb leader
(Francis I know you’re on ruby-talk) to set aside some time for each
meeting just to focus on RoR.
My rationale for wanting to start a Rails-specific group is that the
ruby-nyc group is for the language, and those members have interests
that don’t necessarily deal directly with the web. While they would
probably be interested to hear new members talk about Rails (and they
were when I did so), I wouldn’t want to alienate them by hogging the
discussion about the Web.
Since this is going to the Ruby-talk list… any Ruby folks there
interested in a NYC meetup?
Actually I did go to last month’s Ruby Group (If you guys are watching I
was the newbie). It was quite helpful, and I even came out with a free
‘Learn Ruby in 21 days’ (thanks Francis), but my impression was that it
was more oriented toward the language itself than to Rails, esp. as it’s
been around longer than Rails has existed. We talked about Rails a bit,
but I don’t want to inadvertantly steer those meetings into discussions
just about Rails. So I will continue to attend them, but if there is
enough interest in NYC I’d like to start one that focuses on Rails
itself. There are plenty of developers here and I’d wager the interest
is only going to grow.
Actually I’m no where near NYC, so I didn’t see you at the last meeting.
;^)
I am concerned though that by starting Rails specific groups, we
fragment a
community that is still fairly young. I think having a RoR group is a
great
idea, but I’d rather see it run in cooperation with an NYC.rb (or
whatever). I
think the new Rails folks can learn a lot from experienced Rubyists, and
the
‘old timers’ can certainly get a boost from the new folks that RoR will
bring
in.
I fully agree about learning from the 'elders', and that cooperation and
cross-talk should be encouraged from the start. I don't think
fragmenting interests is too much of a concern at this point, though, as
anyone coding for RoR is likely to be pretty interested in Ruby as a
language anyway. I certainly am. In fact I plan to encourage anyone
coming to the RoR to go to the NYC.rb as well. Depending on the size of
the interest (I have 4 ppl so far), maybe we'll ask the NYC.rb leader
(Francis I know you're on ruby-talk) to set aside some time for each
meeting just to focus on RoR.
My rationale for wanting to start a Rails-specific group is that the
ruby-nyc group is for the language, and those members have interests
that don't necessarily deal directly with the web. While they would
probably be interested to hear new members talk about Rails (and they
were when I did so), I wouldn't want to alienate them by hogging the
discussion about the Web.
Since this is going to the Ruby-talk list... any Ruby folks there
interested in a NYC meetup?
Matt
I live in NYC and I'd love to attend Ruby meetups here when I can.
I encourage anyone with an interest in Ruby AND/OR RoR to join. I'll work out the details of setting up a meetup soon.
Thanks,
Matt
Matt Pelletier wrote:
Pat,
I fully agree about learning from the 'elders', and that cooperation and cross-talk should be encouraged from the start. I don't think fragmenting interests is too much of a concern at this point, though, as anyone coding for RoR is likely to be pretty interested in Ruby as a language anyway. I certainly am. In fact I plan to encourage anyone coming to the RoR to go to the NYC.rb as well. Depending on the size of the interest (I have 4 ppl so far), maybe we'll ask the NYC.rb leader (Francis I know you're on ruby-talk) to set aside some time for each meeting just to focus on RoR.
My rationale for wanting to start a Rails-specific group is that the ruby-nyc group is for the language, and those members have interests that don't necessarily deal directly with the web. While they would probably be interested to hear new members talk about Rails (and they were when I did so), I wouldn't want to alienate them by hogging the discussion about the Web.
Since this is going to the Ruby-talk list... any Ruby folks there interested in a NYC meetup?
Matt
pat eyler wrote:
On Apr 12, 2005 3:40 PM, Matt Pelletier <pelletierm@eastmedia.net> >>> wrote:
Hi Pat (and Paul, from earlier reply),
Actually I did go to last month's Ruby Group (If you guys are watching I
was the newbie). It was quite helpful, and I even came out with a free
'Learn Ruby in 21 days' (thanks Francis), but my impression was that it
was more oriented toward the language itself than to Rails, esp. as it's
been around longer than Rails has existed. We talked about Rails a bit,
but I don't want to inadvertantly steer those meetings into discussions
just about Rails. So I will continue to attend them, but if there is
enough interest in NYC I'd like to start one that focuses on Rails
itself. There are plenty of developers here and I'd wager the interest
is only going to grow.
Actually I'm no where near NYC, so I didn't see you at the last meeting. ;^)
I am concerned though that by starting Rails specific groups, we fragment a community that is still fairly young. I think having a RoR group is a great idea, but I'd rather see it run in cooperation with an NYC.rb (or whatever). I
think the new Rails folks can learn a lot from experienced Rubyists, and the
'old timers' can certainly get a boost from the new folks that RoR will bring
in.