My favorite line from the article:
"Now, about the trackpad buttons on your laptops..."
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:01:53AM +0900, J. Ryan Sobol wrote:
On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
>of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
Let me avoid the flame war about to ensue by quickly post this:
Apple finally realizes mice can have more than one button | Ars Technica
~ ryan ~
PS - YES, I know Apple's laptops have a one-button mouse built in still.
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The support software for the Kensington mice and trackballs supports
application-specific settings for all of the buttons. I used this to
allow me to have copy and paste buttons that functioned across the
X11/OSX divide.
-r
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At 5:53 AM +0900 1/3/06, Mike Stok wrote:
I replaced my linux desktop with a 17" PowerBook, and it quite
happily uses my 3 button Logitech mouse (well, two with a clickable
scroll-wheel). The only thing that still gets me is my expectation
of X Window style cut & paste.
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I direct your attention again to my reference to laptops.
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:51AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2006 14:45, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
> discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
> much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
> of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
They give you a mighty mouse now anyway, so A is your only problem.
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You can emulate the second button and the third button by pressing
down the sightseeing key and the switch key, respectively. Not that
it's a terribly good solution.
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On 1/2/06, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:53:56AM +0900, Mike Stok wrote:
>
> I replaced my linux desktop with a 17" PowerBook, and it quite
> happily uses my 3 button Logitech mouse (well, two with a clickable
> scroll-wheel).
I'm perfectly aware of the capability of Macs to interface with an
external mouse with more than one button. It's the built-in pointing
device with only one button on the Apple laptops that drives me up the
wall. You can't just plug in an integrated trackpad with more than one
button.
While we're hijacking this thread for our own purposes, I have a couple of requests for OS X software that might exist, but I can't find:
- I'd like to press a crazy, unused modifier combo (say, Shift-Alt) and have click-and-drag move the entire window that I'm clicking-and-dragging on. I'm tired of slogging all the way to the top of the window just to move it.
- I generally have gem_server, plus one or two rails servers of my own running, and because I like to be able to a)flip to the logs quickly, and b)start/stop the servers in very few keypresses, I generally keep 'em each open in their own Terminal window. That creates clutter quickly. Now, I might investigate 1)screen, 2)iTerm, 3)creating my own start/stop daemonizer bash script for the purpose, but what I'd really like is a stupid little Cocoa app that I could wire up to random shell scripts, and that gave me a bunch of Start/Stop and View Log buttons, akin to the System Controls thing that the MySQL dmg gives me. Basically, Locomotive, but without using Locomotive. 
Sorry about that...
Chad Perrin wrote:
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:51AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2006 14:45, Chad Perrin wrote:
I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
They give you a mighty mouse now anyway, so A is your only problem.
I direct your attention again to my reference to laptops.
I direct your attention again to plugging in any usb mouse. I'm sorry, but I
simply cannot allow you to write off Macs entirely because there's one button
on the track pad. If you gave it a chance, you wouldn't have that much of a
problem with it. Really.
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On Tuesday 03 January 2006 01:03, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:51AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
> On Monday 02 January 2006 14:45, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
> > discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
> > much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be
> > something of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
>
> They give you a mighty mouse now anyway, so A is your only problem.
I direct your attention again to my reference to laptops.
Hi Hampton,
I hope I'm not repeating what anyone else is said but you can get
mysql bindings to work by:
Compiling and installing ruby, gems, etc and setting up mysql based on
the guide below:
At the bottom of the mysql section it has:
sudo gem install mysql -- --with-mysql-dir=/usr/local/mysql
Do this and then go read through this url:
file:///usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mysql-2.7/README.html
Which basically says go to the mysql gems directory (from above) and
do the following:
- ruby extconf.rb --with-mysql-dir=/usr/local/mysql
- make
- su
- ruby ./test.rb [hostname [user [passwd [dbname [port [socket [flag]]]]]]]
I got one error from this test, on the test_fetch_double test but the
result seems fine.
- make install
After you do this you can run ruby mysql fine. A sample bit of code is below:
require 'mysql'
m = Mysql.new("localhost", "root", "")
m.select_db("dbname")
result = m.query("select * from table")
result.each do |row|
row.each do |val|
puts val
end
end
As an aside, I bought a mac a few days ago and love it. I bought the
17". I've written a blog:
http://carlwoodward.blogspot.com/
Hope this helps and you stick with your mac.
Cheers,
Carl.
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On 1/3/06, Devin Mullins <twifkak@comcast.net> wrote:
While we're hijacking this thread for our own purposes, I have a couple
of requests for OS X software that might exist, but I can't find:
- I'd like to press a crazy, unused modifier combo (say, Shift-Alt) and
have click-and-drag move the entire window that I'm
clicking-and-dragging on. I'm tired of slogging all the way to the top
of the window just to move it.
- I generally have gem_server, plus one or two rails servers of my own
running, and because I like to be able to a)flip to the logs quickly,
and b)start/stop the servers in very few keypresses, I generally keep
'em each open in their own Terminal window. That creates clutter
quickly. Now, I might investigate 1)screen, 2)iTerm, 3)creating my own
start/stop daemonizer bash script for the purpose, but what I'd really
like is a stupid little Cocoa app that I could wire up to random shell
scripts, and that gave me a bunch of Start/Stop and View Log buttons,
akin to the System Controls thing that the MySQL dmg gives me.
Basically, Locomotive, but without using Locomotive.
Sorry about that...
Chad Perrin wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:51AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
>
>
>>On Monday 02 January 2006 14:45, Chad Perrin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
>>>discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
>>>much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
>>>of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
>>>
>>>
>>They give you a mighty mouse now anyway, so A is your only problem.
>>
>>
>
>I direct your attention again to my reference to laptops.
>
>
>
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Just accept that I require an integrated interface with which I'm
comfortable, and leave it at that. I don't want to get into a flame war
about whether or not it's acceptable to have to use an external pointing
device on a compact, portable device in order to not be driven up the
friggin' wall by the interface.
Thanks.
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On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 04:19:54AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 01:03, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:51AM +0900, Kevin Brown wrote:
> > On Monday 02 January 2006 14:45, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
> > > discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
> > > much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be
> > > something of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).
> >
> > They give you a mighty mouse now anyway, so A is your only problem.
>
> I direct your attention again to my reference to laptops.
I direct your attention again to plugging in any usb mouse. I'm sorry, but I
simply cannot allow you to write off Macs entirely because there's one button
on the track pad. If you gave it a chance, you wouldn't have that much of a
problem with it. Really.
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is what you give the audience." - Larry Wall
Hi,
Just accept that I require an integrated interface with which I'm
comfortable, and leave it at that. I don't want to get into a flame war
about whether or not it's acceptable to have to use an external pointing
device on a compact, portable device in order to not be driven up the
friggin' wall by the interface.
You might want to keep one thing in mind: the Apple Interface is built to be used with a single mouse button, it will certainly not drive you up a wall, simply because of that fact. I found the lack of the second mouse button weird at first, simply because I was using it the whole time in window/linux, but I became used to it pretty fast, meaning a weeks or so.
Generally I don't propose Macs as I think most people just can't "cut back" something at first, just to discover that it's just "the right way" on this platform.
Kash
I've used Macs. I didn't like the one-button mouse.
I tend to dislike pointing devices because of the disconnect in
disparate parts of the interface (keyboard and mouse), but I use them
because they're useful with certain types of programs. A web browser
just isn't as efficient tool without one, for instance.
Giving a mouse only one button just exacerbates my annoyance, because it
forces more interface-switching than I would otherwise deal with, and
because the versatility of the pointing device itself is reduced.
Now that I've told the equivalent of my life story with regards to this
story, I'm going to attempt to drop the subject on the "agree to
disagree" note I already indicated (see above), and hope I'll stop
getting messages from Mac evangelists who think the one-button mouse is
a feature rather than a bug. Maybe you like it: I don't.
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On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:13:00AM +0900, Kashia Buch wrote:
Hi,
>Just accept that I require an integrated interface with which I'm
>comfortable, and leave it at that. I don't want to get into a flame war
>about whether or not it's acceptable to have to use an external pointing
>device on a compact, portable device in order to not be driven up the
>friggin' wall by the interface.
You might want to keep one thing in mind: the Apple Interface is built to
be used with a single mouse button, it will certainly not drive you up a
wall, simply because of that fact. I found the lack of the second mouse
button weird at first, simply because I was using it the whole time in
window/linux, but I became used to it pretty fast, meaning a weeks or so.
Generally I don't propose Macs as I think most people just can't "cut
back" something at first, just to discover that it's just "the right way"
on this platform.
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Hello.
Chad Perrin:
I tend to dislike pointing devices because of the disconnect in
disparate parts of the interface (keyboard and mouse), but I use
them because they're useful with certain types of programs. A web
browser just isn't as efficient tool without one, for instance.
Have you tried a ThinkPad laptop with a TrackPoint device (the red
nipple between G, H and B keys)? In the past two-and-a-half years,
I used an external mouse only once with my R31 (which I use 12+ hours
a day), and find myself reaching for the nipple every time I sit at
a desktop. For me, it's simply unbeatable (although it took me about
a week to get used to it).
You only can't bring yourself to buying an Apple
laptop; I couldn't buy a non-ThinkPad one... :o)
Cheers,
-- Shot
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Hello.
Chad Perrin:
> I tend to dislike pointing devices because of the disconnect in
> disparate parts of the interface (keyboard and mouse), but I use
> them because they're useful with certain types of programs. A web
> browser just isn't as efficient tool without one, for instance.
Have you tried a ThinkPad laptop with a TrackPoint device (the red
nipple between G, H and B keys)? In the past two-and-a-half years,
I used an external mouse only once with my R31 (which I use 12+ hours
a day), and find myself reaching for the nipple every time I sit at
a desktop. For me, it's simply unbeatable (although it took me about
a week to get used to it).
Actually, I'm using one right now. I love Thinkpads. Once I turn the
trackpad off in the BIOS settings, so that I can just stick to the
trackpoint (and, when at home, an external trackball), I'm pleased as
punch. I love the button placement for the integrated pointing devices,
too.
You only can't bring yourself to buying an Apple
laptop; I couldn't buy a non-ThinkPad one... :o)
Every time I try a different laptop, I find myself wishing I was using a
Thinkpad. I'd be willing to make an exception for an Apple laptop from
time to time, though, if the physical interface was better (for me).
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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:48:49AM +0900, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski wrote:
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