Issues from an extreme beginner

ruby-talk
1

Hey guys, great to be part of such a great community! I look forward to
learning Ruby alongside all of you!

I've very recently picked up ruby and have been reading a book called
"Learn to Program"(2005) by Chris Pine. Basically, it's a hands on guide
to Ruby. So I've been going through the basic programs with no problem,
up until now. I've been trying at a program for about an hour now, to no
prevail and was hoping you guys could lend me a hand.

The program asks the user to input their first, middle and last names in
separate strings and displays how many characters are in the combined
three names, in theory. I have no issues obtaining the string and
displaying them, but somewhere along the path of converting the string
to an integer I get messed up.

Now, I'll share some versions of this failed program that have yielded
errors (dashed line's indicate another program):

puts 'Enter your first, middle and last name:'
name1 = gets.chomp
name2 = gets.chomp
name3 = gets.chomp
names1 = name1.length
names2 = name2.length
names3 = name3.length
puts 'There are ' + names1.to_i + names2.to_i + names3.to_i
puts ' character\'s in your name!'

···

------------------------------------------

puts 'Enter your first, middle and last name:'
name1 = gets.chomp
name2 = gets.chomp
name3 = gets.chomp
puts 'There are ' + (name1.length).to_i + (name2.length).to_i +
(name3.length).to_i
puts ' character\'s in your name!'

-------------------------------------

And I also had another one (I must have accidently overwritten it) that
converted the strings to integers, by the ".length" method, and back to
strings and added them. Which yielded no error, but instead simply added
the string numbers together (5+6+4=564 instead of 5+6+4=15)

I was just wondering if somebody could take a look at this code and
point me in the right direction.

Much appreciated,
Bruce

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

2

Here's a small hint:

(((str + int => str) + int => str) + int => str)

(str + (int + (int + int => int) => int) => str)

Also, String#length returns an int, so you should never need to call .to_i
on it.

···

Sent from my phone, so excuse the typos.

3

Ahh, thank you Matthew! That was just the push I needed!

I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.

Anyway, this is the winning program:

puts 'Enter your first, middle and last name:'
name1 = gets.chomp
name2 = gets.chomp
name3 = gets.chomp
names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length
puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

···

---------------------------------------------

Now onto greater obstacles! Once more, thanks Matthew!

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

4

And I also had another one (I must have accidently overwritten it) that
converted the strings to integers, by the ".length" method, and back to
strings and added them. Which yielded no error, but instead simply added
the string numbers together (5+6+4=564 instead of 5+6+4=15)

I was just wondering if somebody could take a look at this code and
point me in the right direction.

A hint.

p "Bruce".length.class #> Fixnum
p (1+2+3).to_s.class #> String

Harry

5

Harry, Zoltan: Thank you both! This book that I'm reading is a pretty
barebones, basic introduction to the Ruby language.

Shortcuts and different approaches are always as helpful as anything!

···

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

6

FYI, you don't need to escape the single quote when inside double
quotes.
"\'" is the same as "'"

···

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

7

I should have spotted that :o
I guess I was thinking in strings rather than sentences :slight_smile:

···

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

8

Matthew Kerwin wrote in post #1095671:

Here's a small hint:

(((str + int => str) + int => str) + int => str)

(str + (int + (int + int => int) => int) => str)

Also, String#length returns an int, so you should never need to call
.to_i
on it.

Sent from my phone, so excuse the typos.

Er, that's a conceptual hint, by the way. You can't actually add an int
to a string.

(However, `str + int.to_s` works fine...)

···

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.

9

puts "There are #{names} character\'s in your name!"

is more efficient imho.

Best Regards:

Zoltan

···

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 7:43, Bruce Palmer wrote:

puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

10

I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.

names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length

Or just: (name1 + name2 + name3).length
Or: [name1, name2, name3].join.length

puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

Uh, there's no apostrophe in the plural of "character". FWIW.
(Sorry, personal pet peeve.)

···

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

--
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder@gmail.com

twitter: @hassan

11

You should make it a habit from the start to use more accurate
variable names, like

   characters = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length
   # or: character_number, total_characters, total_character_number, ...

   puts "There are #{characters} characters in your name!"

stomar

···

Am 07.02.2013 07:43, schrieb Bruce Palmer:

Ahh, thank you Matthew! That was just the push I needed!

I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.

Anyway, this is the winning program:

puts 'Enter your first, middle and last name:'
name1 = gets.chomp
name2 = gets.chomp
name3 = gets.chomp
names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length
puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

12

"Hajdú Zoltán" <janicetr@fastmail.fm> wrote in post #1095676:

···

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 7:43, Bruce Palmer wrote:

puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

puts "There are #{names} character\'s in your name!"

is more efficient imho.

Best Regards:

Zoltan

This is fine one :slight_smile:

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.

13

Hassan Schroeder wrote in post #1095774:

···

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> > wrote:

I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.

names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length

Or just: (name1 + name2 + name3).length
Or: [name1, name2, name3].join.length

puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'

Uh, there's no apostrophe in the plural of "character". FWIW.
(Sorry, personal pet peeve.)

I caught this after doing it in, maybe 6 of my prior programs.

I'm surprised nobody caught that sooner!

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.

14

Well, we're not marking your assignments for you. :wink:

Here is another approach that is Rubyish, albeit slightly excessive:

    [name1, name2, name3].inject(0) {|sum, name| sum + name.length }

···

On 8 February 2013 06:39, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

Hassan Schroeder wrote in post #1095774:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> > > wrote:
>
>> I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
>> unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.
>
>> names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length
>
> Or just: (name1 + name2 + name3).length
> Or: [name1, name2, name3].join.length
>
>> puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'
>
> Uh, there's no apostrophe in the plural of "character". FWIW.
> (Sorry, personal pet peeve.)

I caught this after doing it in, maybe 6 of my prior programs.

I'm surprised nobody caught that sooner!

--
  Matthew Kerwin, B.Sc (CompSci) (Hons)
  http://matthew.kerwin.net.au/
  ABN: 59-013-727-651

  "You'll never find a programming language that frees
  you from the burden of clarifying your ideas." - xkcd

15

IMHO maybe a little too cryptic for a complete newbie.

stomar

···

Am 07.02.2013 22:25, schrieb Matthew Kerwin:

Here is another approach that is Rubyish, albeit slightly excessive:

     [name1, name2, name3].inject(0) {|sum, name| sum + name.length }

16

on the side-track in case the name has only one character then the word
'character' is usually written as character(s) rather than as an apostrophe
this visible abbreviation is a valid way to create two options.
to write it this way will (s) need to be escaped?
for singular and plural to be viable alternatives?
can (s) be escaped by either "\(s)" or " " ?
puts needs singular and plural pronouns and tense
to print 'there is one ,' or else put 'there are..'

···

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matthew Kerwin <matthew@kerwin.net.au>wrote:

On 8 February 2013 06:39, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

Hassan Schroeder wrote in post #1095774:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Palmer <lists@ruby-forum.com> >> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know what I was thinking before, brain fart perhaps, but I was
>> unnecessarily converting back and forth between string and integer.
>
>> names = name1.length + name2.length + name3.length
>
> Or just: (name1 + name2 + name3).length
> Or: [name1, name2, name3].join.length
>
>> puts 'There are ' + names.to_s + ' character\'s in your name!'
>
> Uh, there's no apostrophe in the plural of "character". FWIW.
> (Sorry, personal pet peeve.)

I caught this after doing it in, maybe 6 of my prior programs.

I'm surprised nobody caught that sooner!

Well, we're not marking your assignments for you. :wink:

Here is another approach that is Rubyish, albeit slightly excessive:

    [name1, name2, name3].inject(0) {|sum, name| sum + name.length }

--
  Matthew Kerwin, B.Sc (CompSci) (Hons)
  http://matthew.kerwin.net.au/
  ABN: 59-013-727-651

  "You'll never find a programming language that frees
  you from the burden of clarifying your ideas." - xkcd

17

In a pry console, including one Rails file:

1.9.3 (main):0 > require 'active_support/core_ext/string/inflections'
=> true
1.9.3 (main):0 > count = 1
=> 1
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there is 1 character."
1.9.3 (main):0 > count = 3
=> 3
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there is 3 characters."

!! oops, that's a surprising omission, but

1.9.3 (main):0 > ActiveSupport::Inflector.inflections{|inflect|
inflect.plural "is", "are" }
....
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there are 3 characters."

HTH,

···

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Timothy Gregory <tigre7t@gmail.com> wrote:

on the side-track in case the name has only one character then the word
'character' is usually written as character(s) rather than as an apostrophe
this visible abbreviation is a valid way to create two options.
to write it this way will (s) need to be escaped?
for singular and plural to be viable alternatives?
can (s) be escaped by either "\(s)" or " " ?
puts needs singular and plural pronouns and tense
to print 'there is one ,' or else put 'there are..'

--
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder@gmail.com

twitter: @hassan

18

1. You do not have to escape `(' and `)' in single or double
    quoted strings.

2. Generally, you can handle "decisions" with a conditional expression:

   if total_characters == 1
     message = "There is 1 character..."
   else
     message = "There are #{total_characters} characters..."
   end
   puts message

   (Just one of many ways to do it.)

You should first learn these basic language features before
playing around with Rails libraries.

···

Am 08.02.2013 00:40, schrieb Timothy Gregory:

on the side-track in case the name has only one character then the word
'character' is usually written as character(s) rather than as an apostrophe
this visible abbreviation is a valid way to create two options.
to write it this way will (s) need to be escaped?
for singular and plural to be viable alternatives?
can (s) be escaped by either "\(s)" or " " ?
puts needs singular and plural pronouns and tense
to print 'there is one ,' or else put 'there are..'

--
stomar

19

hay that is concise and explicit many thanks
now i am reading docs about //inflections.rb
i grasp your steps under the heading
"String inflections define new methods on the String class"
where '../inflections.rb' has fifteen methods
your solution shows some neat ways it can be adapted
in our case both numbers and strings are in singular and plural
thankfully the output grammar can be corrected to suit either alternative
this was a hitch that is solved in ruby
it appears quite a fiddly issue more than it really is

···

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Hassan Schroeder < hassan.schroeder@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Timothy Gregory <tigre7t@gmail.com> wrote:
> on the side-track in case the name has only one character then the word
> 'character' is usually written as character(s) rather than as an
apostrophe
> this visible abbreviation is a valid way to create two options.
> to write it this way will (s) need to be escaped?
> for singular and plural to be viable alternatives?
> can (s) be escaped by either "\(s)" or " " ?
> puts needs singular and plural pronouns and tense
> to print 'there is one ,' or else put 'there are..'

In a pry console, including one Rails file:

1.9.3 (main):0 > require 'active_support/core_ext/string/inflections'
=> true
1.9.3 (main):0 > count = 1
=> 1
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there is 1 character."
1.9.3 (main):0 > count = 3
=> 3
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there is 3 characters."

!! oops, that's a surprising omission, but

1.9.3 (main):0 > ActiveSupport::Inflector.inflections{|inflect|
inflect.plural "is", "are" }
....
1.9.3 (main):0 > "there #{'is'.pluralize(count)} #{count}
#{'character'.pluralize(count)}."
=> "there are 3 characters."

HTH,
--
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder@gmail.com
Hassan Schroeder | about.me
twitter: @hassan