I'm a beginner, where should I go to?

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben

gmail should rename the 'Send' button into 'read again and find typos'
so don't blame me :slight_smile:

A little accretion to my post: I asked for the beginner list because I
have the habbit of asking stupid questions. It's often the only way
for me to understand things, but I also want to avoid by any means to
piss people off by 'polluting' 'their' mailinglist.

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Ben Aurel <ben.aurel@gmail.com> wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben

Every line you write will have to be rewritten 10 times. You can
usually tell poor code b/c it looks as if it has only been rewritten 5
times :wink:

T.

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On Aug 12, 6:41 am, "Ben Aurel" <ben.au...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.

Perhaps you could use different code profiling tools and benchmarks to learn what works well and what doesn't?

For example, look at ruby Pretty, or these: http://ruby.sadi.st/Ruby_Sadist.html

Casimir Pohjanraito

Ben Aurel kirjoitti:

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Ben Aurel <ben.aurel@gmail.com> wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben

A little accretion to my post: I asked for the beginner list because I
have the habbit of asking stupid questions. It's often the only way
for me to understand things, but I also want to avoid by any means to
piss people off by 'polluting' 'their' mailinglist.

Hi Ben,

There isn't a beginners list, so post away! There's some talk about whether or not one should be created, but nothing concrete has happened yet.

Fred

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On 12 Aug 2008, at 11:53, Ben Aurel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Ben Aurel <ben.aurel@gmail.com> > wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben

For example, look at ruby Pretty, or these:
http://ruby.sadi.st/Ruby_Sadist.html

I found nothing for 'ruby Pretty' do you have a link maybe
I've installed Ruby Sadist, but analysing the results is a bit too
complicated for me at rightnow.

Do you know http://perlcritic.com/. It's really cool especially for
learning and improving your perl skills. Something like this for ruby
would be awesome.

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Casimir <pikEISPAMMMseli@welho.com> wrote:

Perhaps you could use different code profiling tools and benchmarks to learn
what works well and what doesn't?

For example, look at ruby Pretty, or these:
http://ruby.sadi.st/Ruby_Sadist.html

Casimir Pohjanraito

Ben Aurel kirjoitti:

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Ben Aurel <ben.aurel@gmail.com> wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben

so post away!

on workingwithrails.com your authority level is 50% and the popularity
level is 96% so I guess I must believe you :slight_smile:

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Frederick Cheung <frederick.cheung@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12 Aug 2008, at 11:53, Ben Aurel wrote:

A little accretion to my post: I asked for the beginner list because I
have the habbit of asking stupid questions. It's often the only way
for me to understand things, but I also want to avoid by any means to
piss people off by 'polluting' 'their' mailinglist.

Hi Ben,

There isn't a beginners list, so post away! There's some talk about whether
or not one should be created, but nothing concrete has happened yet.

Fred

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Ben Aurel <ben.aurel@gmail.com> wrote:

hi
After working with some ruby projects and playing with existing
sources I decided to finally get my hands dirty. It's an interesting
experiences with similarities of learning a human language where your
comprehension skills are far more better than your speaking skills.
Basically the problem I have that I've written too much excellent ruby
code, without a deeper knowldedge of what the code really do, but with
a rather feeling 'that looks terse' vs. 'that looks clunky'.
Now that I actually begin to write code of my own, I find myself in a
similar position as somebody after a brainsurgery trying to learn how
to speak. Its grinding and for every line I write I think for myself
'oh god that's probably wrong'.
So the thing I'm looking for is a mailinglist where I can post my
pathetic code in order to discuss it with some more experienced
writers.
thanks
ben