Has It been greatly improved?
yes.
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On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
Has It been greatly improved?
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we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being better. simply reflect on that.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama
The shootout gives a hint:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
fun to play with.
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On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Has It been greatly improved?
* Erwin Moller <hi.steven.tu@gmail.com> (05:10) schrieb:
Has It been greatly improved?
Yes!
I've foolishly done a small raytracer in pure ruby, and here are some
older timing results:
1.11 scene5 hdr
real 240m0.358s
user 229m33.500s
sys 5m16.590s
1.12 scene5 hdr (ruby1.9)
real 159m57.246s
user 156m15.050s
sys 0m30.360s
(Yeah, it's version 1.11 vs version 1.12, but 1.12 just fixes bugs.)
mfg, simon .... l
It's interesting to see that Ruby 1.9 is now faster than Icon, which is my other fave language (and who's VM I'm far too familiar with).
Ellie
Eleanor McHugh
Games With Brains
http://slides.games-with-brains.net
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On 1 May 2008, at 07:45, ThoML wrote:
On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Has It been greatly improved?
The shootout gives a hint:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
fun to play with.
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raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason
I've always wanted to try that.
MJD has a neat little raytracer in Perl. I think it's 400 lines, or so.
Is your code publicly available?
James Edward Gray II
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On May 1, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Simon Krahnke wrote:
I've foolishly done a small raytracer in pure ruby…
Here's a direct comparison -
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=yarv&lang2=ruby
(Note that some of the Ruby 1.8.6 programs show Error when run with
Ruby 1.9.0)
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On Apr 30, 11:45 pm, ThoML <micat...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has It been greatly improved?
Theshootoutgives a hint:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&l\.\.\.
How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
fun to play with.
* James Gray <james@grayproductions.net> (16:00) schrieb:
I've foolishly done a small raytracer in pure ruby…
I've always wanted to try that.
MJD has a neat little raytracer in Perl. I think it's 400 lines, or so.
Well, rayt (that's its short name) is quite basic and limited, there are
only two different object types: planes (with no borders) and spheres. I
only ever tried grayscale images and it's just plain raytracing with
reflection and transparency.
I consider it quite finished, because pure raytracing with its shadow
rays it's just too bad at distributing light, and can always learn to
use povray. I might try to implement refraction some day though.
Is your code publicly available?
No, but I could zip it up and mail it to you if you want.
mfg, simon .... my address works
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On May 1, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Simon Krahnke wrote:
Much the same rather than faster (and there are many missing Icon
programs)
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=icon&lang2=yarv
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On May 1, 3:58 am, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com> wrote:
On 1 May 2008, at 07:45, ThoML wrote:
> On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has It been greatly improved?> Theshootoutgives a hint:
>http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&l\.\.\.
> How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
> fun to play with.It's interesting to see that Ruby 1.9 is now faster than Icon, which
is my other fave language (and who's VM I'm far too familiar with).
Well there's lots of room for improvement in the Icon VM, what with the current design being fifteen years old and written in its own god-awful macro language that adds additional overhead. On the other hand, I did significant physical simulations using it on an i386 for my degree dissertation and never found it particularly slow so if Ruby 1.9 is in the same ballpark now that's a good improvement.
As for the lack of Icon benchmarks, well judging from the activity on the Unicon mailing list I'd be surprised if there's more than a few hundred of us worldwide who ever use it. Makes Ruby look positively mainstream 
Ellie
Eleanor McHugh
Games With Brains
http://slides.games-with-brains.net
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On 1 May 2008, at 17:56, Isaac Gouy wrote:
On May 1, 3:58 am, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com> > wrote:
On 1 May 2008, at 07:45, ThoML wrote:
On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Has It been greatly improved?
Theshootoutgives a hint:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&l\.\.\.
How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
fun to play with.It's interesting to see that Ruby 1.9 is now faster than Icon, which
is my other fave language (and who's VM I'm far too familiar with).Much the same rather than faster (and there are many missing Icon
programs)http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=icon&lang2=yarv
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raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason
Eleanor McHugh wrote:
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On 1 May 2008, at 17:56, Isaac Gouy wrote:
On May 1, 3:58 am, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com> >> wrote:
On 1 May 2008, at 07:45, ThoML wrote:
On May 1, 5:10 am, Erwin Moller <hi.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Has It been greatly improved?
Theshootoutgives a hint:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&l\.\.\.
How these charts relate to real-world problems ... oh well, but it's
fun to play with.It's interesting to see that Ruby 1.9 is now faster than Icon, which
is my other fave language (and who's VM I'm far too familiar with).Much the same rather than faster (and there are many missing Icon
programs)http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=icon&lang2=yarv
Well there's lots of room for improvement in the Icon VM, what with the current design being fifteen years old and written in its own god-awful macro language that adds additional overhead. On the other hand, I did significant physical simulations using it on an i386 for my degree dissertation and never found it particularly slow so if Ruby 1.9 is in the same ballpark now that's a good improvement.
As for the lack of Icon benchmarks, well judging from the activity on the Unicon mailing list I'd be surprised if there's more than a few hundred of us worldwide who ever use it. Makes Ruby look positively mainstream
The main use of it that I'm aware of is in the build process for Norman Ramsey's "noweb" literate programming tool. Ralph Griswold, the creator of Icon (and SNOBOL!) passed away last year, and I don't know if anyone has stepped into a maintainer role.
Yes, I was very sad when the news broke as he was one of my personal heroes, both for his work on Icon and for the important role he played in the birth of Unix and other Bell Labs projects. He was ahead of the curve with both Snobol and Icon but the elegant scanning environments these championed have never gained the traction of regular expressions (much to my personal annoyance) nor has Icon's goal-oriented evaluation. I often miss the latter when working on Ruby problems and end up spoofing it with exceptions, which is a very clumsy approach.
I don't know who's now maintaining Icon, but its OO offshoot Unicon is be actively developed by Clinton Jeffreys and has a small but loyal community. It's fun to play with and even has support for graphics and CGI these days - I used to have a couple of websites powered by it before they fell off the net - but outside of noweb Un/Icon lacks a killer application to put it in the mainstream.
No matter how good the language, without users it's always going to be stuck in a niche 
Ellie
Eleanor McHugh
Games With Brains
http://slides.games-with-brains.net
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On 2 May 2008, at 03:44, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
Eleanor McHugh wrote:
Well there's lots of room for improvement in the Icon VM, what with the current design being fifteen years old and written in its own god-awful macro language that adds additional overhead. On the other hand, I did significant physical simulations using it on an i386 for my degree dissertation and never found it particularly slow so if Ruby 1.9 is in the same ballpark now that's a good improvement.
As for the lack of Icon benchmarks, well judging from the activity on the Unicon mailing list I'd be surprised if there's more than a few hundred of us worldwide who ever use it. Makes Ruby look positively mainstreamThe main use of it that I'm aware of is in the build process for Norman Ramsey's "noweb" literate programming tool. Ralph Griswold, the creator of Icon (and SNOBOL!) passed away last year, and I don't know if anyone has stepped into a maintainer role.
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raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason