PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070730120109643]
I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with Ruby. The implication seems to be that because Microsoft's IronRuby is released under a license that isn't approved by OSI, that the Ruby community at large had better "watch out".
With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:05 PM, rmagick@gmail.com wrote:
PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
Groklaw - Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI. -- Updated]
As a way of getting rails into IIS shops, if nothing else.
- donald
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:05 PM, rmagick@gmail.com wrote:
> PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
> from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
> Groklaw - Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI. -- Updated]I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with Ruby. The
implication seems to be that because Microsoft's IronRuby is
released under a license that isn't approved by OSI, that the
Ruby community at large had better "watch out".With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
Lyle Johnson wrote:
PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
Groklaw - Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI. -- Updated]I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with Ruby. The implication seems to be that because Microsoft's IronRuby is released under a license that isn't approved by OSI, that the Ruby community at large had better "watch out".
With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
Very, but not for the reason you'd think. If IronRuby pans out, and if SilverLight 1.1 does what it says on the tin, getting Ruby installed on a client's machine becomes a no-op.
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:05 PM, rmagick@gmail.com wrote:
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Alex
With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
I am.
It'll probably be the first "ruby" compiler to reach 1.0 and it allows
one to replace ActionScript with Ruby. Or so I hope.
I'll HAVE to have a look just because of these two possibilities.
Aur
Ball, Donald A Jr (Library) wrote:
PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
Groklaw - Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI. -- Updated]I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with Ruby. The
implication seems to be that because Microsoft's IronRuby is
released under a license that isn't approved by OSI, that the
Ruby community at large had better "watch out".With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
You have to understand, the primary objective of all projects at
Microsoft is to get the world to take it seriously enough for someone to
make money. Engineering objectives are always at best tertiary.
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:05 PM, rmagick@gmail.com wrote:
As a way of getting rails into IIS shops, if nothing else.
- donald
--
The only sustainable organizing methods focus not on scale,
but on good design of the functional unit,
not on winning battles, but on preservation.
You must mean "after jruby":
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JRUBY/2007/06/12/JRuby+1.0+Released
or is jruby something fundamentally different than IronRuby in your
mind?
Ben
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007, SonOfLilit wrote:
> With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
> developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?It'll probably be the first "ruby" compiler to reach 1.0 and it allows
one to replace ActionScript with Ruby. Or so I hope.
Alex Young wrote:
Lyle Johnson wrote:
PJ raises a warning cry about IronRuby: "Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move
from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI." [http://
Groklaw - Uh Oh. Another Smooth Move from Microsoft: Watch out, Ruby. Watch out OSI. -- Updated]I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with Ruby. The implication seems to be that because Microsoft's IronRuby is released under a license that isn't approved by OSI, that the Ruby community at large had better "watch out".
With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
Very, but not for the reason you'd think. If IronRuby pans out, and if SilverLight 1.1 does what it says on the tin, getting Ruby installed on a client's machine becomes a no-op.
Another question: is there any reason that, say, Rubinius' standard libraries couldn't be used with IronRuby? Has anyone looked? What's their implementation status at the moment?
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:05 PM, rmagick@gmail.com wrote:
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Alex
Does any know any good instructions for installing IronRuby on Mac OS X?
Or of any good (easy to use) compiler for Ruby?
Thanks,
---------------------------------------------------------------|
~Ari
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" --1337est man alive
Ball, Donald A Jr (Library) wrote:
With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?As a way of getting rails into IIS shops, if nothing else.
I take IronRuby a lot more seriously than I take Groklaw. 
The MRI stdlibs are (mostly) Ruby and should be freely reusable. I'd
be sort of surprised if alternative implementers bother implementing
more than they have to with these, unless they need to tweak the
existing libs for their implementations.
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On 7/30/07, Alex Young <alex@blackkettle.org> wrote:
Another question: is there any reason that, say, Rubinius' standard
libraries couldn't be used with IronRuby? Has anyone looked? What's
their implementation status at the moment?
No, I don't. jruby is an interpreter.
Aur
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On 7/30/07, Ben Bleything <ben@bleything.net> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007, SonOfLilit wrote:
> > With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
> > developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
>
> It'll probably be the first "ruby" compiler to reach 1.0 and it allows
> one to replace ActionScript with Ruby. Or so I hope.You must mean "after jruby":
> > With all due to respect to John Lam and the other IronRuby
> > developers, is anyone taking IronRuby all that seriously?
>
> It'll probably be the first "ruby" compiler to reach 1.0 and it allows
> one to replace ActionScript with Ruby. Or so I hope.You must mean "after jruby":
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JRUBY/2007/06/12/JRuby+1.0+Released
or is jruby something fundamentally different than IronRuby in your
mind?
The operative word is compiler. JRuby is a ruby runtime/interpreter, but it
does not compile source down to bytecode. IronRuby is a compiler to CLR
bytecode plus runtime libraries.
Ben
--Greg
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:57:45AM +0900, Ben Bleything wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007, SonOfLilit wrote:
Ari Brown wrote:
Does any know any good instructions for installing IronRuby on Mac OS X?
There are only just working instructions for building it on Windows It may in time be supported by Mono, but the DLR is still a moving target so I wouldn't expect that just yet.
Or of any good (easy to use) compiler for Ruby?
IronRuby will be the first, assuming all is as it appears. At least, to the best of my knowledge. I may be spouting gibberish - I've been writing c# for 16 hours, so all bets are off
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Alex
Does any know any good instructions for installing IronRuby on Mac OS
X?
I'm pretty sure that Seo Sanghyeon has IronRuby building on top of Mono now. He hasn't published instructions yet, but I suspect those will be forthcoming soon.
-John
Gregory Brown wrote:
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On 7/30/07, Alex Young <alex@blackkettle.org> wrote:
Another question: is there any reason that, say, Rubinius' standard
libraries couldn't be used with IronRuby? Has anyone looked? What's
their implementation status at the moment?The MRI stdlibs are (mostly) Ruby and should be freely reusable. I'd
be sort of surprised if alternative implementers bother implementing
more than they have to with these, unless they need to tweak the
existing libs for their implementations.
I'm sure you're right, I can't see many technical reasons not to use the standard implementation. However, John Lam is specifically asking for contributions to the IronRuby stdlib. I don't know what assignments you'd have to make to get them accepted, and I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. John, are you reading? Can you give us a steer on this?
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Alex
Ah, that was a misconception on my part. I thought jruby compiled to
jvm bytecode. My mistake, sorry
Ben
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> or is jruby something fundamentally different than IronRuby in your
> mind?The operative word is compiler. JRuby is a ruby runtime/interpreter, but it
does not compile source down to bytecode. IronRuby is a compiler to CLR
bytecode plus runtime libraries.
Sweet! That's great news John.
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On 7/30/07, John Lam (CLR) <jflam@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Does any know any good instructions for installing IronRuby on Mac OS
> X?I'm pretty sure that Seo Sanghyeon has IronRuby building on top of Mono now. He hasn't published instructions yet, but I suspect those will be forthcoming soon.
Gregory Seidman wrote:
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:57:45AM +0900, Ben Bleything wrote:
or is jruby something fundamentally different than IronRuby in your
mind?The operative word is compiler. JRuby is a ruby runtime/interpreter, but
it
does not compile source down to bytecode. IronRuby is a compiler to CLR
bytecode plus runtime libraries.Ben
--Greg
JRuby have a compiler 
-- Otto
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John Lam (CLR) wrote:
Does any know any good instructions for installing IronRuby on Mac OS
X?I'm pretty sure that Seo Sanghyeon has IronRuby building on top of Mono now. He hasn't published instructions yet, but I suspect those will be forthcoming soon.
Wow. That's cool.
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Alex