Gem remote installation does not work

Hello

I'm trying to remote install some gems, but i only get

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem install --remote rake
Attempting remote installation of 'rake'
ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::GemNotFoundException)
    Could not find rake (> 0) in the repository

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads http://gems.rubyforge.org/yaml.Z,
but fails afterwards.

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem -v
0.7.0
uehli@localhost uehli $ ruby -v
ruby 1.9.0 (2004-08-11) [i686-linux]

Any ideas?

-- Thomas Uehlinger

I know this is kinda the bad way to answer, since it involves installing
a new package-system, but RPA is (IMHO) so much cooler than RubyGems.

So you could go to: http://rpa-base.rubyforge.org and get the source,
run the install.rb and do:
rpa update # update pkg list
rpa install rpa-base # update rpa itself
rpa install rake # install rake

Mmm... RPA... :wink:

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:59:10 +0200 Thomas Uehlinger <th.uehlinger@gmx.ch> wrote:

Any ideas?

--
Anders K. Madsen --- http://lillesvin.linux.dk

"There are 10 types of people in the world.
Those who understand binary - and those who don't."

Hi Thomas.

I'm not able to reproduce this problem, and I'm in a kind of limited
environment in the office. My only guess is that it might be a
problem with ruby 1.9.0. Do you have a 1.8.* build you could try it
with? Otherwise, I can send you a patch later that will give us more
information.

Thanks,
Chad

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:01:11 +0900, Thomas Uehlinger <th.uehlinger@gmx.ch> wrote:

Hello

I'm trying to remote install some gems, but i only get

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem install --remote rake
Attempting remote installation of 'rake'
ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::GemNotFoundException)
    Could not find rake (> 0) in the repository

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
but fails afterwards.

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem -v
0.7.0
uehli@localhost uehli $ ruby -v
ruby 1.9.0 (2004-08-11) [i686-linux]

Thomas Uehlinger said:

Hello

I'm trying to remote install some gems, but i only get

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem install --remote rake
Attempting remote installation of 'rake'
ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::GemNotFoundException)
    Could not find rake (> 0) in the repository

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads
RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
but fails afterwards.

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem -v
0.7.0
uehli@localhost uehli $ ruby -v
ruby 1.9.0 (2004-08-11) [i686-linux]

Hmmm... I've not tried gems on 1.9. That _could_ be the problem. I'll
takek a closer look this evening.

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-- Jim Weirich jim@weirichhouse.org http://onestepback.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct,
not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas)

Anders K. Madsen wrote:

Any ideas?

I know this is kinda the bad way to answer, since it involves installing
a new package-system, but RPA is (IMHO) so much cooler than RubyGems.

The RPA page says, "RPA will be a controlled repository of Ruby libraries and applications, managed by a dedicated team that will ensure consistency and proper QA."

Does this mean that, if I want to release a library packaged for RPA, I would first need *permission*?

The FAQ suggests that the actual developer cannot simply create an RPA package and release it. If that's true, it collides with my notion of "so much cooler."

James

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:59:10 +0200 > Thomas Uehlinger <th.uehlinger@gmx.ch> wrote:

Jim Weirich wrote:

Thomas Uehlinger said:

Hello

I'm trying to remote install some gems, but i only get

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem install --remote rake
Attempting remote installation of 'rake'
ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::GemNotFoundException)
   Could not find rake (> 0) in the repository

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads
RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
but fails afterwards.

uehli@localhost uehli $ gem -v
0.7.0
uehli@localhost uehli $ ruby -v
ruby 1.9.0 (2004-08-11) [i686-linux]

Hmmm... I've not tried gems on 1.9. That _could_ be the problem. I'll
takek a closer look this evening.

Yes, that could be. I found out that it works correctly on 1.8.1.

-- Thomas

Jim Weirich wrote:

Thomas Uehlinger said:

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads
RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
but fails afterwards.

Hmmm... I've not tried gems on 1.9. That _could_ be the problem. I'll
takek a closer look this evening.

Seems to be a YAML problem 1.9. I've sent a message to Why to confirm. I'll keep you updated.

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-- Jim Weirich jim@weirichhouse.org http://onestepback.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct,
not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas)

The RPA page says, "RPA will be a controlled repository of Ruby
libraries and applications, managed by a dedicated team that will ensure
consistency and proper QA."

Does this mean that, if I want to release a library packaged for RPA, I
would first need *permission*?

A qualified 'no', but read on...

The FAQ suggests that the actual developer cannot simply create an RPA
package and release it. If that's true, it collides with my notion of
"so much cooler."

You can create packages/ports on your own, and release them without
asking for any sort of approval/permission, either by distributing the
.rps files directly or by creating your own repository for rpa-base.

It's fairly easy, but not really documented at this moment; see
http://lillesvin.linux.dk/dyndnsupdate for an example.
rpa-base (the package/port manager) allows it trivially with
  rpa install http://path/to/your-port.rps
and also by defining additional 'non-official' repositories; in that case
  rpa install whatever
would work directly, once the end-user has added your repository
to the corresponding list (note however that I haven't exposed this
capability at the UI level yet, but it will be implemented in some normal
'self-update').

However, I think there is some merit in having a controlled repository
managed carefully: you can compare it to Debian's official repository
vs. other non-official ones.

In other words, you can distribute software for installation with
rpa-base, but the primary goal of the project is RPA itself; rpa-base
is but a means to reach it. Now, rpa-base does a number of interesting
things (atomicity, ri/rdoc integration, etc), which might make it
interesting for more general usages.

I'm probably the one to blame for much of this confusion, due to the
poor naming of the port/package manager. Here's a short explanation of
some of the terms relative to RPA & friends:
* RPA: Ruby Production Archive -> controlled repository containing a
  core section labelled as 'production software', which is to be managed
  according to stringent engineering practices. Note that this doesn't
  mean that other sw. cannot be packaged for RPA, but only that the
  primary goal of RPA is providing that 'stable core'. However, and to
  the extent that the resources at hand allow it, there is no reason
  for RPA not to make available a substantial number of
  libraries/packages, as a service to RPA users.
* rpa-base: the port/package manager designed for RPA. It is fairly
  general and probably useful for other purposes, but that is not the
  main goal, which is being the technological support for RPA. In
  particular, it could be used in a decentralized way, very much like
  RubyGems, but that is not the main intended usage; you're free to use
  it any way you like, of course.
* .rps: the ports (sources with a driver script for rpa-base) which are
  downloaded by rpa-base when installing something. Then binary packages
  (.rpa) are built using them.
* .rpa: system-dependent binary packages, created from some port (.rps).
  These are generated during the installation phase, and will be used
  to set up binary repositories, eventually.

I hope this clears it up. Don't hesitate to ask for additional
explanations if there's something unclear; so far I've been rather
unable to explain what RPA was because, well, I was busy making it
happen (hacking rpa-base and maintaining over 100 packages does indeed
take some time).

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On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:08:07AM +0900, James Britt wrote:

--
Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com

Jim Weirich wrote:

Jim Weirich wrote:

Thomas Uehlinger said:

I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads
RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
but fails afterwards.

Hmmm... I've not tried gems on 1.9. That _could_ be the problem. I'll
takek a closer look this evening.

Seems to be a YAML problem 1.9. I've sent a message to Why to confirm. I'll keep you updated.

With a 1.9 checkout from today it works. (in contrast to a checkout some days ago). This is probably due to the changes Why made lately.

-- Thomas

Thanks for following up (and for your patience), Thomas.

Chad

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:16:06 +0900, Thomas Uehlinger <th.uehlinger@gmx.ch> wrote:

Jim Weirich wrote:
> Jim Weirich wrote:
>
>> Thomas Uehlinger said:
>>
>>> I found out that 'gem' correctly downloads
>>> RubyGems.org | your community gem host,
>>> but fails afterwards.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm... I've not tried gems on 1.9. That _could_ be the problem. I'll
>> takek a closer look this evening.
>
>
> Seems to be a YAML problem 1.9. I've sent a message to Why to confirm.
> I'll keep you updated.
>

With a 1.9 checkout from today it works. (in contrast to a checkout some
days ago). This is probably due to the changes Why made lately.

Mauricio Fernández <batsman.geo@yahoo.com> writes:

You can create packages/ports on your own, and release them without
asking for any sort of approval/permission, either by distributing the
rps files directly or by creating your own repository for rpa-base.

[...]

However, I think there is some merit in having a controlled repository
managed carefully: you can compare it to Debian's official repository
vs. other non-official ones.

This is very important. The main reasons I like rpa are that it does
all the housekeeping of package maintenance on my behalf and that it
stays out of the way of the language and the interpreter (i.e. no
special `require' forms to bring in modules).

Ok, I also like automatic dependency resolution, file conflict
detection, a certain flexibility in deciding where-goes-what, and
transactions, but forgime me, I'm used to Debian and I've come to take
those things for granted. :slight_smile:

Anyway, what you say above is important on a wider scale. QA and
policy will help acceptance of Ruby in certain (e.g. corporate)
contexts big time and goes beyond providing a means to install a piece
of software quickly. Ultimately it is not different from the purpose
of having a `standard distribution': ensuring a given set of packages
is consistent and all parts interact nicely; by separating this task
from that of maintining the basic interpreter parts I think both sides
will benefit greatly.

I've just a minor wishlist item for you. I've not tried building an
rpa package (yet), so I don't know how the procedure goes, but I hope
you've followed or will follow the adage `Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but not simpler'. When I started learning
building Debian packages, I was discouraged with the complexity
(policy, helpers, and whatnot) when compared with e.g. rpms. As I
went on, I was more and more grateful for it because it forced me to
think hard and good about something that ultimately would happen on
somebody else's computer. Which is a Good Thing.

Massimiliano

This is very important. The main reasons I like rpa are that it does
all the housekeeping of package maintenance on my behalf and that it
stays out of the way of the language and the interpreter (i.e. no
special `require' forms to bring in modules).

Ok, I also like automatic dependency resolution, file conflict
detection, a certain flexibility in deciding where-goes-what, and
transactions, but forgime me, I'm used to Debian and I've come to take
those things for granted. :slight_smile:

And many more goodies planned for 0.3.0 :-))

Anyway, what you say above is important on a wider scale. QA and
policy will help acceptance of Ruby in certain (e.g. corporate)
contexts big time and goes beyond providing a means to install a piece
of software quickly. Ultimately it is not different from the purpose
of having a `standard distribution': ensuring a given set of packages
is consistent and all parts interact nicely; by separating this task
from that of maintining the basic interpreter parts I think both sides
will benefit greatly.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I've just a minor wishlist item for you. I've not tried building an
rpa package (yet), so I don't know how the procedure goes, but I hope
you've followed or will follow the adage `Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but not simpler'. When I started learning
building Debian packages, I was discouraged with the complexity
(policy, helpers, and whatnot) when compared with e.g. rpms. As I

Since I use Debian too, and create fairly reasonable Debian packages
quite often, I can fully appreciate some of the benefits of its
tools/methodology :slight_smile: In particular, rpa-base uses "helpers" too (there's
a list included in the sources actually), and the design is open to
extension through additional helpers and refinement of the semantics of
the current ones.

I definitely want to have a RPA Policy.

Note that some people have believed in the past that the latter would
restrict what their sw. can do if they want it to be in RPA, or that
they would be somehow forced to comply with the Policy. THIS IS NOT THE
CASE. The Policy is but a set of (packaging, etc) rules RPA developers
self-impose and decide to comply with. It is an effective tool to make
sure the RPA system is consistent and high quality standards can be
achieved. But it is not the goal of the RPA project to impose the RPA
Policy to anybody else, or anything else for the matter.

On a technical level, rpa-base has been designed to be open and avoid
imposing its solutions to other systems.
One example of this is the modified ri distributed via rpa-base as ri-rpa
(for ri integration). This is clearly sub-optimal but was done that way
to *avoid imposing* RPA-specific patches to Dave Thomas.

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On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 06:25:57AM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra - bard wrote:

went on, I was more and more grateful for it because it forced me to
think hard and good about something that ultimately would happen on
somebody else's computer. Which is a Good Thing.

--
Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com

Mauricio Fernández <batsman.geo@yahoo.com> writes:

Note that some people have believed in the past that the latter would
restrict what their sw. can do if they want it to be in RPA, or that
they would be somehow forced to comply with the Policy. THIS IS NOT THE
CASE.

Speaking of taking Debian things for granted, it seems you simply did
the same with the official/non-official concept. May I suggest you
rename RPA as RPA/Official, and rpa-base as rpa-tool, or something
along those lines, to clear up possible misunderstandings?

Massimiliano

I've been thinking about renaming rpa-base for some time; your
suggestions sound good :slight_smile: I'll ponder about it for a while, though...

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On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 06:21:16AM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra - bard wrote:

Mauricio Fernández <batsman.geo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Note that some people have believed in the past that the latter would
> restrict what their sw. can do if they want it to be in RPA, or that
> they would be somehow forced to comply with the Policy. THIS IS NOT THE
> CASE.

Speaking of taking Debian things for granted, it seems you simply did
the same with the official/non-official concept. May I suggest you
rename RPA as RPA/Official, and rpa-base as rpa-tool, or something
along those lines, to clear up possible misunderstandings?

--
Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com