I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby. I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all the completion.
Thanks,
Jamie
Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.
sigh<
Scite.
<a beat>
I'm such a laaaamer! I'm a sucker for hitting <F5>, and a script just runs!
xemacs, can be configured to do everything you dream up, and has a package for everything I dreamt about 
There was a thread on ruby-forum
http://www.ruby-forum.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=72
regards,
brian
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0900 Jamie Orchard-Hays <jamie@dang.com> wrote:
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.Thanks,
Jamie
--
Brian Schröder
http://www.brian-schroeder.de/
TextMate (which I also used and have registered) does completion
(based on what has alreay been typed in the file) and also has "snippets"
where you can completely define the completion (even with placeholders...).
Recommended (on OSX only though).
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0900, Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby. I've
been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all the
completion.
Hello Jamie,
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.
I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference 
:
1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)
At the moment none of them have completition (more then simple and unintelligent
repeated text completition). Even the best Ruby IDE written by the
best programmers with infinite time can't give you Code Insight that
is working correctly in more then a few percent of your code. Same
with refactoring. You are not using Java anymore so forget about most
of the tools you used with Intellij. With ruby you changed technology,
so you also have to change your tools and working style.
What you can expect is a really good integration of "ri"/rubydoc.
Unfortunately this is a very young technology that is now useable
with 1.8.2. So maybe in a year or so the situation is getting a little bit
better (for all IDE's that are under active development). At least for
Arachno Ruby i can promise you that this will happen during the next
spring/summer.
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Lots of talk in this thread about editors/IDE's.
If anybody care about editors/IDEs written entirely in Ruby (thus also
scriptable in Ruby), please consider to support.
AFAIK there exists these free open source projects
Ruvi,
Diakonos,
FreeRIDE,
Mondrian,
AEditor
These projects are written more or less entirely in Ruby.
What is the future for Ruby based editors?
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Simon Strandgaard
Jamie Orchard-Hays <jamie@dang.com> wrote in message news:<C46BDE01-3DDA-11D9-811E-000A95D17A50@dang.com>...
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.Thanks,
Jamie
Dear Jamie,
vim
Regards,
Benjamin
P.S. To enable intellisense-style completion without the cumbersome
external plugin, please send money and psychological pressure to Bram
Moolenaar, the maintainer.
I'm keeping an eye on TextMate. I'll even admit that it has some features that I could really get into, but...
For my money, BBEdit is still king on Mac OS X. I've been using BBEdit for many years now and it's just hard to beat the raw power that it offers through an elegant interface, in my opinion.
The "Find..." dialog in BBEdit is quite possibly perfect. It's a massive selection of options that allow you to quickly locate or change anything in the current file or a group of files you can specify countless different ways. Beyond that one dialog, there is a huge "Search" menu that complements it wonderfully. I need that everyday and couldn't live without it.
BBEdit's "Markup" menu is a handy tool, the "Text" manipulation menu does most of the mundane tasks of text management for me, CVS and Unix script integration is smooth, the new "Text Factories" make mass editing trivial... I could go on and on.
One thing that REALLY sets BBEdit apart from other GUI editors though is that you can have it anyway you like it. Open "Preferences..." and your eyes will bulge. It takes awhile to figure out what everything controls, but when you do, you'll edit in an environment customized to the way you think. You can change any menu keyboard shortcut and add your own. This means a lot to me. I want to edit how I want to edit, not how some designer thinks I should want to edit.
To be fair, BBEdit's price tag comes with more than a little sticker shock, though for me it has been very worth it. Also, along the lines of the original post, BBEdit doesn't have an auto-completion feature (save Glossary items you build). Code folding, another popular topic here, is not yet implemented either.
My vote is BBEdit, but I know how personal attachment to an editor is. Given that, I suggest that you try things out. Most editors offer some form of "demo". Find what speaks to you and use that.
James Edward Gray II
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On Nov 24, 2004, at 5:03 AM, Ollivier Robert wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0900, Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby. I've
been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all the
completion.TextMate (which I also used and have registered) does completion
(based on what has alreay been typed in the file) and also has "snippets"
where you can completely define the completion (even with placeholders...).Recommended (on OSX only though).
Lothar Scholz wrote:
Hello Jamie,
> I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
> I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
> the completion.I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)
5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE
Zach
VI is an IDE? LOL!
So no editors/IDEs yet have the capability of irb -r irb/completion?
Jamie
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Cc: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs
Hello Jamie,
> I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
> I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
> the completion.I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)At the moment none of them have completition (more then simple and unintelligent
repeated text completition). Even the best Ruby IDE written by the
best programmers with infinite time can't give you Code Insight that
is working correctly in more then a few percent of your code. Same
with refactoring. You are not using Java anymore so forget about most
of the tools you used with Intellij. With ruby you changed technology,
so you also have to change your tools and working style.What you can expect is a really good integration of "ri"/rubydoc.
Unfortunately this is a very young technology that is now useable
with 1.8.2. So maybe in a year or so the situation is getting a little bit
better (for all IDE's that are under active development). At least for
Arachno Ruby i can promise you that this will happen during the next
spring/summer.--
Best regards, emailto: scholz at scriptolutions dot com
Lothar Scholz http://www.ruby-ide.com
CTO Scriptolutions Ruby, PHP, Python IDE 's
Hey all,
How about my pet project? I haven't worked on it for close to an year,
but its a Ruby IDE written entirely in ruby.
ore.rubyforge.org
HTH
Archit
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On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 06:13 +0900, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
llisense-style compl
If anybody care about editors/IDEs written entirely in Ruby (thus also
scriptable in Ruby)
JEdit is written in Java, and is scriptable in Ruby.
It has a plugn called Superscript which uses the Apache BSF framework to
interface to multiple scripting languages, and JRuby for the ruby version. I
got some small test scripts to work, accessing the view, text area,
selection, command-line console, etc.
My trial period on BBEdit 8 just ran out and it hasn't convinced me to buy it. It has a way of doing things that I don't quite like, though it is improved. It doesn't do completion either. So, in that sense it doesn't suite my purposes for Ruby either. I'm also surprised that its search tool is slower than BBEdit Lite's and doesn't cache the results like TextPad (Windoze tool) so it's faster the next time.
TextMate is pretty cool, but rough around the edges. It's got the Ruby menu, but the last thing I want to do is use a menu-driven way of inserting methods, blocks, etc. It's horribly ineffecient to me. Type reach for the track pad, open menu, find, click. UGH! (Also something I don't like about BBEdit's html menus.) I'll definitely be keeping my eye on it. Hopefully they will get their emacs bindings straight.
SubEthaEdit actually is a bit richer in terms of its key bindings that TextMate (the emacs bindings are better), but doesn't have the Ruby integration and notion of projects.
My ideal editor would be something like TexMate with real completion ala irb with completion on and then an ability to click through to classes and methods, but now we're getting into IDE territory.
Jamie
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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Edward Gray II" <james@grayproductions.net>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs
On Nov 24, 2004, at 5:03 AM, Ollivier Robert wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0900, Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby. I've
been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all the
completion.TextMate (which I also used and have registered) does completion
(based on what has alreay been typed in the file) and also has "snippets"
where you can completely define the completion (even with placeholders...).Recommended (on OSX only though).
I'm keeping an eye on TextMate. I'll even admit that it has some features that I could really get into, but...
For my money, BBEdit is still king on Mac OS X. I've been using BBEdit for many years now and it's just hard to beat the raw power that it offers through an elegant interface, in my opinion.
The "Find..." dialog in BBEdit is quite possibly perfect. It's a massive selection of options that allow you to quickly locate or change anything in the current file or a group of files you can specify countless different ways. Beyond that one dialog, there is a huge "Search" menu that complements it wonderfully. I need that everyday and couldn't live without it.
BBEdit's "Markup" menu is a handy tool, the "Text" manipulation menu does most of the mundane tasks of text management for me, CVS and Unix script integration is smooth, the new "Text Factories" make mass editing trivial... I could go on and on.
One thing that REALLY sets BBEdit apart from other GUI editors though is that you can have it anyway you like it. Open "Preferences..." and your eyes will bulge. It takes awhile to figure out what everything controls, but when you do, you'll edit in an environment customized to the way you think. You can change any menu keyboard shortcut and add your own. This means a lot to me. I want to edit how I want to edit, not how some designer thinks I should want to edit.
To be fair, BBEdit's price tag comes with more than a little sticker shock, though for me it has been very worth it. Also, along the lines of the original post, BBEdit doesn't have an auto-completion feature (save Glossary items you build). Code folding, another popular topic here, is not yet implemented either.
My vote is BBEdit, but I know how personal attachment to an editor is. Given that, I suggest that you try things out. Most editors offer some form of "demo". Find what speaks to you and use that.
James Edward Gray II
Did you mention vim? Things to look at (help commands):
:he complete
Word completion based on what is in the buffer already
:he compiler (see also :he make)
collect error messages from programs and jump to those lines.
:he syntax
Syntax highlighting
:he ai
autoindent (see also :he si (smartindent))
:he fdm
foldmethod syntax :he matchit
Allows jumping to next if...else...end case...when...else...end
class...end (see also :he * (jump to next occurrence of word)
In case that helps. Editor choice is very personal.
Hugh
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
VI is an IDE? LOL!
Zach Dennis wrote:
Lothar Scholz wrote:
1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE
My ruby ide/editor history is
1) xemacs
2) eclipse, I've send patches for ruby code parse
3) xemacs (eclipse's bad auto-identatation and vanishing ruby debugger
plugin were intolerable
4) arachno ruby. Great code browser, great find utilities, great
editor, Very intuitive IDE, after small learning curve. I still
miss hippie-expand functionality from xemacs
- Ville
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Zach Dennis wrote:
Lothar Scholz wrote:
Hello Jamie,
> I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
> I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss
all JOH> the completion.I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE
Early days, but KDevelop in the KDE cvs HEAD is coming on nicely. It has a
ruby source code debugger, class browser, Qt Designer RAD UI design
integration and so on. It doesn't have ruby code completion yet though.
-- Richard
I may be totally off here, but isn't it possible to do something like irb
completion inside jEdit using the hooks it gives to scripting and this
scripting framework from Apache? I ask because I don't have the necessary
amount of knowledge to do so myself neither the time at this present moment
to look more into it, and this list is full of bright and *very* intelligent
people.
If you ask me, one of the main obstacles to either newbies or people coming
from languages such as Java and/or other static languages to the Ruby world
is the lack of something like auto-completion in the tools they used to use
and know where they came from, like IntelliJ and Eclipse.The evils of
intelli-sense style technology
I know that given the dinaymic nature of Ruby it is very hard to do
something like auto-completion, such was one topic some time ago here on the
list, but what about some primitive completion like irb does?
Pardon my ignorance on the subject and thanks for reading this.
Cheers,
Felipe
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From: "itsme213" <itsme213@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs
> If anybody care about editors/IDEs written entirely in Ruby (thus also
> scriptable in Ruby)JEdit is written in Java, and is scriptable in Ruby.
It has a plugn called Superscript which uses the Apache BSF framework to
interface to multiple scripting languages, and JRuby for the ruby version.
I
got some small test scripts to work, accessing the view, text area,
selection, command-line console, etc.
Jamie Orchard-Hays wrote:
TextMate is pretty cool, but rough around the edges. It's got the Ruby menu, but the last thing I want to do is use a menu-driven way of inserting methods, blocks, etc. It's horribly ineffecient to me. Type reach for the track pad, open menu, find, click. UGH! (Also something I don't like about BBEdit's html menus.) I'll definitely be keeping my eye on it. Hopefully they will get their emacs bindings straight.
Actually you can bind a keyboard shortcut to every snippet/command/macro. In the case of snippets, you can type a trigger, and press <tab>. Press tab a few times to get into the predefined interesting positions. Type case<tab> and you get
case object
when condition
end
Object is pre-selected, type someting, press tab, and "condition" gets selected,.. Really nicely done if you ask me.
You can also do auto-completion by pressing escape, but it only works if you already wrote the word somewhere before in your source code.
We discussed this just a month ago: http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/117836
Rob got it working in JEdit, but he's said it's pretty bloody slow.
Francis Hwang
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On Nov 24, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Felipe Malta de Oliveira wrote:
I may be totally off here, but isn't it possible to do something like irb
completion inside jEdit using the hooks it gives to scripting and this
scripting framework from Apache? I ask because I don't have the necessary
amount of knowledge to do so myself neither the time at this present moment
to look more into it, and this list is full of bright and *very* intelligent
people.
Hello Felipe,
If you ask me, one of the main obstacles to either newbies or people coming
from languages such as Java and/or other static languages to the Ruby world
is the lack of something like auto-completion in the tools they used to use
and know where they came from, like IntelliJ and Eclipse.The evils of
intelli-sense style technology
I know that given the dinaymic nature of Ruby it is very hard to do
something like auto-completion, such was one topic some time ago here on the
list, but what about some primitive completion like irb does?
Okay i will write an article about this over christmas, because i
spend a full week (fulltime + spare time) where i was doing nothing then
thinking about this intelli-sense problem, trying to find a heuristic
for adhoc analysis of ruby source code.
You can't compare irb with an editor when it comes to completion. They
are completely different worlds. In irb you can simply look at the
type of the variable you work with but this is easy to implement. But
in a text editor you have no hint except to look at the source
code.
As a homework assignment take a file from a standart library that you
dont now very well, remove all comments and then pick up some code
randomly and find out which type (or types) a vaiable at that place can
hold. Doing this, even with human intelligence is hard. After this try
to find computable rules about how you found it, then you will understand
the problem much better. It's just a 10 min excercise and a good way
to get a feel for ruby.
If you are allready an experienced ruby programmer take the file
"tk.rb" and try to do the same without asking Nobu.
There are some advanced features that may make it possible to give
better results (feedback analysis in a way modern profiler use it).
But these are very far away in the future.
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Best regards, emailto: scholz at scriptolutions dot com
Lothar Scholz http://www.ruby-ide.com
CTO Scriptolutions Ruby, PHP, Python IDE 's