ADV: Rail Beta Book now available

Folks:

Sorry to barge in with some gross commercialism, but I thought it might be of interest. We've just released a beta version of our new Rails book, "Agile Web Development with Rails." This is basically a pre-copyedit, pre-layout version of the book, available as a PDF. Buy it now (either as a straight PDF or as a combo-pack with the paper book) and we'll ship you the Beta PDF now, then ship you the final PDF (along with the paper book if you ordered it) when the book is finished (around the first of August).

Details are here: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/

Thanks

Dave

Will you autograph it as well? It would be nice to have it match the Pickaxe Book.

-- Matt
Nothing great was ever accomplished without _passion_

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On Fri, 27 May 2005, Dave Thomas wrote:

Sorry to barge in with some gross commercialism, but I thought it might be of interest. We've just released a beta version of our new Rails book, "Agile Web Development with Rails." This is basically a pre-copyedit, pre-layout version of the book, available as a PDF. Buy it now (either as a straight PDF or as a combo-pack with the paper book) and we'll ship you the Beta PDF now, then ship you the final PDF (along with the paper book if you ordered it) when the book is finished (around the first of August).

- Dave Thomas :

Sorry to barge in with some gross commercialism, but I thought it might
be of interest. We've just released a beta version of our new Rails
book, "Agile Web Development with Rails." This is basically a
pre-copyedit, pre-layout version of the book, available as a PDF. Buy
it now (either as a straight PDF or as a combo-pack with the paper
book) and we'll ship you the Beta PDF now, then ship you the final PDF
(along with the paper book if you ordered it) when the book is finished
(around the first of August).

Details are here: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/

Great !
Anyway, it seems that your site doesn't support Paypal payment, just
Visa/Mastercard. I'd be happy to buy the PDF + Book but actually I use
Paypal to buy on the net, I don't have a credit card for
Do I have to wait for the book ?

TIA,
  ngw

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Dave Thomas ha scritto:

Folks:

Sorry to barge in with some gross commercialism, but I thought it might be of interest. We've just released a beta version of our new Rails book, "Agile Web Development with Rails." This is basically a pre-copyedit, pre-layout version of the book, available as a PDF. Buy it now (either as a straight PDF or as a combo-pack with the paper book) and we'll ship you the Beta PDF now, then ship you the final PDF (along with the paper book if you ordered it) when the book is finished (around the first of August).

Details are here: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/

Thanks

cool, and do I understand correctly that you'll follow this approach for other stuff?
(actually I think the sourcebeat approach is even better but you're the decision makers :slight_smile:

Kinda hard with the PDFs... :slight_smile:

(I guess I could digitally sign it, but I suspect it won't have the same appeal)

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On May 26, 2005, at 8:07 PM, Matt Lawrence wrote:

Sorry to barge in with some gross commercialism, but I thought it might be of interest. We've just released a beta version of our new Rails book, "Agile Web Development with Rails." This is basically a pre-copyedit, pre-layout version of the book, available as a PDF. Buy it now (either as a straight PDF or as a combo-pack with the paper book) and we'll ship you the Beta PDF now, then ship you the final PDF (along with the paper book if you ordered it) when the book is finished (around the first of August).

Will you autograph it as well? It would be nice to have it match the Pickaxe Book.

I'm afraid right now we don't accept Paypal--we try to keep our overheads down, and Visa/MC is already a major headache :slight_smile:

Does anyone experience as a Paypal merchant? How are they to work with?

Cheers

Dave

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On May 27, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Nicholas Wieland wrote:

Anyway, it seems that your site doesn't support Paypal payment, just
Visa/Mastercard. I'd be happy to buy the PDF + Book but actually I use
Paypal to buy on the net, I don't have a credit card for
Do I have to wait for the book ?

cool, and do I understand correctly that you'll follow this approach for other stuff?

We're hoping to, but we'll see how this works first.

(actually I think the sourcebeat approach is even better but you're the decision makers :slight_smile:

Sourcebeat is fine if you write linearly, but much of our stuff gets refactored as it goes along. However, we're experimenting right now, and this is just the first iteration. Who knows what we'll be doing a year from now?

Cheers

Dave

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On May 27, 2005, at 3:55 AM, gabriele renzi wrote:

Could you post Table of Contents somewhere, pls?

Dave Thomas wrote:

Anyway, it seems that your site doesn't support Paypal payment, just
Visa/Mastercard. I'd be happy to buy the PDF + Book but actually I use
Paypal to buy on the net, I don't have a credit card for
Do I have to wait for the book ?

I'm afraid right now we don't accept Paypal--we try to keep our overheads down, and Visa/MC is already a major headache :slight_smile:

Does anyone experience as a Paypal merchant? How are they to work with?

If you wanted to go to the trouble, you could always have the
money sent directly to a personal Paypal acct in exceptional
cases. Just don't publicize it, and you won't have to do the
extra web work to interface to Paypal.

Hal

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On May 27, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Nicholas Wieland wrote:

How tight would your integration with Paypal have to be? Would you want a real-time syncing to your system, etc.? If you can handle a little delay in your processing, maybe you could have Paypal customers

1. tell you they're going to order through Paypal, and record that as a sort of provisional order in your DB,
2. have them pay through Paypal, which automatically notifies you via email,
3. periodically go through the provisional orders on the backend, checking off the ones that actually came through.

This is what we do where I work, it works fine. I suppose generally a lot of this depends on the volume of what you're dealing with; I think we get from 10-20 PayPal-driven transactions a week.

There is also, of course, a PayPal API so you can be notified in real-time. I've never worked with it, as I've got other things on my list, so I can't give you any decent suggestions regarding that.

The big upside of PayPal is user convenience. The big downside is that their fees are noticeably higher than MC/Visa.

Francis Hwang
http://fhwang.net/

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On May 28, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

On May 27, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Nicholas Wieland wrote:

Anyway, it seems that your site doesn't support Paypal payment, just
Visa/Mastercard. I'd be happy to buy the PDF + Book but actually I use
Paypal to buy on the net, I don't have a credit card for
Do I have to wait for the book ?

I'm afraid right now we don't accept Paypal--we try to keep our overheads down, and Visa/MC is already a major headache :slight_smile:

Does anyone experience as a Paypal merchant? How are they to work with?

Dave Thomas wrote:

Anyway, it seems that your site doesn't support Paypal payment, just
Visa/Mastercard. I'd be happy to buy the PDF + Book but actually I use
Paypal to buy on the net, I don't have a credit card for
Do I have to wait for the book ?

I'm afraid right now we don't accept Paypal--we try to keep our overheads down, and Visa/MC is already a major headache :slight_smile:

Does anyone experience as a Paypal merchant? How are they to work with?

I setup a summer basketball camp web site (http://www.basketballminds.com) which allows online registration using paypal as the method.

Paypal is very easy to work with. The only thing I found that bug'd me was that by default you set your shippings prices on a global scale per qty, and not per item, although I believe this may be changed (camp registration doesn't ship anything, so I'd have to double check to make sure).

In the end all I have paypal's payment doing is sending an email to the camp director about the registration. This can just as easily be parsed by a simple ruby script if you currently use an automated ordering system.

Paypal charges a % based on the qty of items sold. The more you sell, the less they take out. By default I think it's around 2.9% of each payment. see https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-receiving-fees-outside more for information on costs. Outside of that it's entirely free.

Zach

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On May 27, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Nicholas Wieland wrote:

I have a ? and a !

What is the license for the PDF? I'm wondering if i can send it to a
friend that's learning perl.

Kudos for color-coded errata, and to all the folks that are all over it
and sent in purple errata. The bar for software title publishers goes
up a decent amount.

I have a ? and a !

What is the license for the PDF? I'm wondering if i can send it to a
friend that's learning perl.

The PDF is licensed to you, and is intended for your use. We don't do any DRM on it, but each PDF bears your name and a few other identifying marks. We don't restrict what our readers do, but we ask them to treat us fairly. Copying the book to friends is against the spirit of this.

Kudos for color-coded errata, and to all the folks that are all over it
and sent in purple errata. The bar for software title publishers goes
up a decent amount.

The errata system was a quick hack (literally less than an hour on Thursday morning, but it's been one of the high point of the experiment. I'm loving having all the feedback in one place.

Cheers

Dave

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On May 27, 2005, at 6:45 AM, Gene Tani wrote: