# The Year in Scripting Languages (Final Draft) **URL:** \ **Category:** ruby-talk\ **Created:** [8 January 2003 22:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017 "2003-01-08T22:15:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lyle\_Johnson6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@Lyle\_Johnson6](https://rubytalk.org/u/Lyle_Johnson6)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 22:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/1 "2003-01-08T22:15:04Z")
All, Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The draft is posted on the Wiki page here: ``` http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002 ``` Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail). If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday). Thanks to everyone who contributed, Lyle ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Sawyer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Tom\_Sawyer](https://rubytalk.org/u/Tom_Sawyer)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 22:32 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/2 "2003-01-08T22:32:37Z")
so who are we? ``` Rubyists (Rubiots? Rubyphiles? Ruby Miners?) ``` it would probably be a keen idea to settle on a term. has the Garden ever had a poll on this? -transami > **···** > > On Wednesday 08 January 2003 03:15 pm, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > All, > > > > Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell > > Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby > > Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The > > draft is posted on the Wiki page here: > > > > ``` > > http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002 > > > > ``` > > > > Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long > > plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most > > of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail). > > > > If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like > > to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday). > > > > Thanks to everyone who contributed, > > > > Lyle > > – > tom sawyer, aka transami > [transami@transami.net](mailto:transami@transami.net) > > ``` > .''. > .''. . *''* :_\/_: . > :_\/_: _\(/_ .:.*_\/_* : /\ : .'.:.'. > > ``` > > ## .‘’.: /\ : ./)\ ‘:’\* /\ \* : ‘..’. -=:o:=- :_/_:‘.:::. | ’ _‘’_ \* ‘.'/.’ _(/_’.‘:’.’ : /\ : ::::: = _/_ -= o =- /)\ ’ \* ‘..’ ‘:::’ === \* /\ \* .‘/.'. ‘.\_\_\_\_\_ \* | _.._ : |. |’ .—"| \* | \_ .–’| || | \_| | \* | .-‘| \_\_ | | | || | .-----. | |’ | || | | | | | || | \_\__’ ’ /“\ | '-.”". ‘-’ ‘-.’ '` |_. ---
**Author:** ![Brennan\_Leathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Brennan\_Leathers](https://rubytalk.org/u/Brennan_Leathers)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 22:46 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/3 "2003-01-08T22:46:43Z")
supposed to be 3 paragraphs. still way too long. > **···** > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > All, > > > > Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from > > Mitchell Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for > > the Ruby Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” > > thing. The draft is posted on the Wiki page here: ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Williams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Bruce\_Williams](https://rubytalk.org/u/Bruce_Williams)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 22:49 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/4 "2003-01-08T22:49:23Z")
Does anyone else think that YAML4R deserves a mention? I certainly do-- perhaps someone more savvy could write one (if there’s still time?) ~ Bruce > **···** > > On Wednesday 08 January 2003 05:15 pm, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > All, > > > > Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell > > Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby > > Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The > > draft is posted on the Wiki page here: > > > > ``` > > http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002 > > > > ``` > > > > Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long > > plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most > > of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail). > > > > If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like > > to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday). > > > > Thanks to everyone who contributed, > > > > Lyle > > – > Bruce R. Williams :: [iusris/#ruby-lang] :: [http://www.codedbliss.com](http://www.codedbliss.com) > > ‘It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, > tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.’ > – Samuel Adams ---
**Author:** ![Armin\_Roehrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@Armin\_Roehrl](https://rubytalk.org/u/Armin_Roehrl)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 00:09 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/5 "2003-01-09T00:09:36Z")
> Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell > Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby > Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The > draft is posted on the Wiki page here: > > ``` > http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002 > > ``` Very impressive what you all produced in so little time. I am sure I could get a German version of this into a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it published somewere? Thanks, -A. ---
**Author:** ![Simon\_Cozens1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Simon\_Cozens1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Simon_Cozens1)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 09:56 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/6 "2003-01-09T09:56:36Z")
Lyle Johnson [lyle@users.sourceforge.net](mailto:lyle@users.sourceforge.net) writes: > the Ruby Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” > thing. The draft is posted on the Wiki page here: Thanks for the Ruby bit, but where does the whole YiSL “thing” live? > **···** > > – > > - DrForr digs around for a fresh IV drip bag and proceeds to hook up. > Coffee port. > Firewalled, like everything else around here. ---
**Author:** ![Gabriel\_Emerson2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Gabriel\_Emerson2](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gabriel_Emerson2)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 22:55 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/7 "2003-01-08T22:55:10Z")
Rubadors? Ruby Ninjas? Rubinettos? Rubellas? CheRUBim? Ruborgeoise? Rubrics? Rubiks? Rubniks? These and many other unpleasant names were mentioned on IRC. > **···** > > On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 07:32:37 +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote: > > > so who are we? > > > > Rubyists (Rubiots? Rubyphiles? Ruby Miners?) > > > > it would probably be a keen idea to settle on a term. has the Garden ever had > > a poll on this? > > > > -transami ---
**Author:** ![Lyle\_Johnson6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@Lyle\_Johnson6](https://rubytalk.org/u/Lyle_Johnson6)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 23:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/8 "2003-01-08T23:15:22Z")
Brennan Leathers wrote: > supposed to be 3 paragraphs. still way too long. Mitchell sent e-mail to the coordinators with the rough drafts from Lua, Tcl and Perl; all of them were longer than three paragraphs as well 😉 But if you have any concrete suggestions about where to trim the fat, now is the time to make them. ---
**Author:** ![Yukihiro\_Matsumoto2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Yukihiro\_Matsumoto2](https://rubytalk.org/u/Yukihiro_Matsumoto2)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 00:18 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/9 "2003-01-09T00:18:00Z")
Hi, > **···** > > In message “Re: The Year in Scripting Languages (Final Draft)” on 03/01/09, Tom Sawyer [transami@transami.net](mailto:transami@transami.net) writes: > > > so who are we? > > > > Rubyists (Rubiots? Rubyphiles? Ruby Miners?) > > We are rubyists, and some of us are ruby hackers. > > ``` > matz. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Lyle\_Johnson6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@Lyle\_Johnson6](https://rubytalk.org/u/Lyle_Johnson6)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 00:35 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/10 "2003-01-09T00:35:31Z")
Armin Roehrl wrote: > I am sure I could get a German version of this into > a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various > editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it published > somewere? OK with me personally, but there were obviously many contributors. At any rate, you should wait a few days until everyone’s basically happy with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Mark\_Wilson](https://rubytalk.org/u/Mark_Wilson)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 01:44 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/11 "2003-01-09T01:44:37Z")
You have my consent to do so. > **···** > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Armin Roehrl wrote: > > > > Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from > > > Mitchell > > > Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby > > > Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The > > > draft is posted on the Wiki page here: > > > > > > ``` > > > http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002 > > > > > > ``` > > > > Very impressive what you all produced in so little time. > > > > I am sure I could get a German version of this into > > a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various > > editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it > > published > > somewere? > > > > Thanks, > > -A. ---
**Author:** ![Lyle\_Johnson6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@Lyle\_Johnson6](https://rubytalk.org/u/Lyle_Johnson6)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 13:57 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/12 "2003-01-09T13:57:13Z")
Simon Cozens wrote: > Thanks for the Ruby bit, but where does the whole YiSL “thing” live? I don’t think it lives anywhere yet. When all of us (the Ruby contributors, as well as those for the other participating scripting languages) make their final submissions to Mitchell, I think he plans to cross-post it to all of the lists/newsgroups. See his original e-mail (archived on the Wiki page). ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_DeMello1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@Martin\_DeMello1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Martin_DeMello1)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 23:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/13 "2003-01-08T23:15:19Z")
Rubes 🙂 martin > **···** > > Gabriel Emerson [gemerson@evalsoft.com](mailto:gemerson@evalsoft.com) wrote: > > > Rubadors? Ruby Ninjas? Rubinettos? Rubellas? > > CheRUBim? Ruborgeoise? Rubrics? Rubiks? Rubniks? > > > > These and many other unpleasant names were mentioned on IRC. ---
**Author:** ![Brennan\_Leathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Brennan\_Leathers](https://rubytalk.org/u/Brennan_Leathers)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 23:51 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/14 "2003-01-08T23:51:19Z")
yes, sorry. I knew I should have even as I posted but since it was so long in my mind compared to 3 grafs, I just let it go. but here are some: - trim the URL section. IMO only links for the main site, Carrera & Pine tutes, ruby-talk, and the online pickaxe are needed. all the rest should go on a wiki or ruby-lang page somewhere and that can be linked to. - include a section header / description for every new paragraph. in particular, ruby development section, it’s too hard to separate ideas if you’re just skimming. - mention book publications, but magazine articles don’t need to be mentioned. these are at the website and easy to find. unless you’re going to link to their online forms (which just adds length and I dont recommend), it doesn’t serve any purpose since I’m sure most of the languages save Lua had articles in the same or similar publications. - cut the mailing list paragraph. include the link to the ruby-lang page for the ML, but that’s it. the rest can be found at the site if ppl are interested beyond the article. no one outside the community cares that we have lists beyond general discussion, every language has those. - cut the ruby garden graf altogether, or at least to one brief sentence. link yes, then maybe say it is a unique collaborative homepage for all things ruby. - trim the ruby graf to saying, ok there was a conference, here were the 3 major presentations, include the link. otherwise it’s not interesting to external readers. - IMO, calls for documentation are done inside the community. why would someone from perl community who has only marginally heard/used ruby want to document it? even within the community, documentation is usually a self-initiated process. ok those are my major issues. I still think ruby development section is too wordy tho it’s pretty concise as is. maybe just choose the really important stuff, even if it hurts to cut something. I like the grafs the size of Martin’s capsules on the wiki. those seemed just right. even if the section stayed the same length but was broken up into grafs that size, that would be an improvement b/c skimmers could decide easier what was of interest to them personally. you did a good job, I am not complaining about the overall effort. 🙂 I just don’t want to bore anyone outside of the community. we should provoke interest with major features/projects/developments in the email, not lay out the history of the past year in great detail. for example, just say the windows version is now native, no need to list the compiler business. there are a couple other things like that, too, if you have time to be laser-like in editing. brennan > **···** > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:09 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > Brennan Leathers wrote: > > > > > supposed to be 3 paragraphs. still way too long. > > > > Mitchell sent e-mail to the coordinators with the rough drafts from > > Lua, Tcl and Perl; all of them were longer than three paragraphs as > > well 😉 But if you have any concrete suggestions about where to trim > > the fat, now is the time to make them. ---
**Author:** ![Brennan\_Leathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Brennan\_Leathers](https://rubytalk.org/u/Brennan_Leathers)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 00:36 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/15 "2003-01-09T00:36:25Z")
I understand rubyists is the traditional (and perhaps correct) term. but at least for me, it is very awkward to say. I can’t imagine it being easier to say for people who don’t use English as their first language as its awkwardness has more to do with the sound of it than the use of -ists as a suffix, which is precise. sometimes, a nickname is not needed (can’t think of any for C or its variants). it is easy enough to say “ruby coders”. I know it’s a point of pride for some to have a nickname for a project’s users, though… Brennan > **···** > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote: > > > We are rubyists, and some of us are ruby hackers. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Freeze2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@Jim\_Freeze2](https://rubytalk.org/u/Jim_Freeze2)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 02:25 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/16 "2003-01-09T02:25:43Z")
So, what is the difference between a rubyist and a ruby hacker? BTW, no-one mentioned rubyites. > **···** > > On Thursday, 9 January 2003 at 9:18:00 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > so who are we? > > > > > > Rubyists (Rubiots? Rubyphiles? Ruby Miners?) > > > > We are rubyists, and some of us are ruby hackers. > > ## – Jim Freeze > > Signs of crime: screaming or cries for help. > – from the Brown Security Crime Prevention Pamphlet ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_DeMello1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@Martin\_DeMello1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Martin_DeMello1)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 10:36 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/17 "2003-01-09T10:36:44Z")
[about the German translation] > You have my consent to do so. It’s fine with me too. martin > **···** > > Mark Wilson [mwilson13@cox.net](mailto:mwilson13@cox.net) wrote: ---
**Author:** ![Rich1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e56c9b/32.png) [@Rich1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Rich1)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 23:36 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/18 "2003-01-08T23:36:19Z")
Why not just ‘Rubies’? Simple, to the point… just like Ruby. > **···** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: “Martin DeMello” [martindemello@yahoo.com](mailto:martindemello@yahoo.com) > Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby > To: “ruby-talk ML” [ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org](mailto:ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org) > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: The Year in Scripting Languages (Final Draft) > > > Gabriel Emerson [gemerson@evalsoft.com](mailto:gemerson@evalsoft.com) wrote: > > > > > Rubadors? Ruby Ninjas? Rubinettos? Rubellas? > > > CheRUBim? Ruborgeoise? Rubrics? Rubiks? Rubniks? > > > > > > These and many other unpleasant names were mentioned on IRC. > > > > Rubes 🙂 > > > > martin ---
**Author:** ![Brennan\_Leathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Brennan\_Leathers](https://rubytalk.org/u/Brennan_Leathers)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2003 23:40 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/19 "2003-01-08T23:40:24Z")
> Rubes 🙂 sounds too much like ‘pubes’, sorry but it’s true. ruby miners is my vote but IMO we shouldn’t rush the vote just to have a name for an email. > **···** > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Martin DeMello wrote: > > > martin ---
**Author:** ![Gavin\_Sinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@Gavin\_Sinclair](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gavin_Sinclair)\ **Post date:** [9 January 2003 00:52 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017/20 "2003-01-09T00:52:29Z")
I agree with everything in Brennan’s post except the above. I think all the links are pretty snazzy and don’t take up too much room (at least they’re together, so can be avoided by the reader if not interested). Brennan suggested a lot of fat be trimmed. I think that if it’s too painful to cut something out altogether, then summarise it in one sentence, and put all the summaries in a “Miscellaneous” section down the bottom. I know that when I’m reading the TCL/Perl/whatever years-in-review, I will want to see a glimpse of some extra meat, without being overwhelmed by details. Gavin > **···** > > On Thursday, January 9, 2003, 10:51:19 AM, Brennan wrote: > > > - trim the URL section. IMO only links for the main site, Carrera & > > Pine tutes, ruby-talk, and the online pickaxe are needed. all the rest > > should go on a wiki or ruby-lang page somewhere and that can be linked > > to. [Next page](https://rubytalk.org/t/the-year-in-scripting-languages-final-draft/4017.md?page=2)