# simple operations

**URL:** <https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577>\
**Category:** ruby-talk\
**Created:** [27 September 2021 12:53 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577 "2021-09-27T12:53:22Z")\
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**Post date:** [29 September 2021 19:41 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/35 "2021-09-29T19:41:07Z")

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> excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?

+1 Jeremy.

PR to remove language that (indirectly) condones generally negative  
behavior from the Ruby conduct docs:

> <https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690>
>
> My rationale for these changes are documented on Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/J…akeHerrington/status/1443286841533374469

Opti: No one is over-reacting or "canceling" people, we're just telling you  
that you made an ass of yourself (no shame, I do that all the time), and  
offering the opportunity to own up to it and do better going forward. We  
all make mistakes and everyone has made an offensive or mindless comment  
that they come to regret upon reflection. Thanks for contributing to the  
discussion here, but I think many of us would appreciate more thoughtful  
comments around the work we've built as a community.

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:19 PM Jeremy “Ibi-Wan” Kent \<ibiwan@gmail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry I’m new here; which mailing list do I subscribe to that excludes  
> > condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?
> > 
> > \> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc\> wrote:  
> > \>  
> > \> The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing is, a  
> > lot of posters in  
> > \> this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive to  
> > anyone. This is understandable,  
> > \> as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and furthermore  
> > there is not a single set  
> > \> of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd strongly  
> > disagree with an idea to defer  
> > \> to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go wrong, not  
> > to mention: "Ruby without  
> > \> fun wouldn't be as intended").  
> > \>  
> > \> Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here, the  
> > Ruby Community Conduct  
> > \> Guidelines:  
> > \>  
> > \> [The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)  
> > \>  
> > \> \>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should  
> > always assume good  
> > \> \>intentions.  
> > \>  
> > \> I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die Optimisten  
> > didn't have bad intentions  
> > \> while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.  
> > \>  
> > \> On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:  
> > \>\> The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > \>\>  
> > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \<  
> > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \>  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We want to  
> > keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies, very young  
> > people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire breathing wizards. :-)/  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite request that  
> > we not make comments that make this place inhospitable to others should not  
> > be controversial.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> -gf-  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \< \> inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > \>\> Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> by Opti  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > \>\> \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > \>\> \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > \>\> \>  
> > \>\> \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \> \>\> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> Sincerely,  
> > \>\> \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \> \>\> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\> \> \>\> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>   
> > \>\> \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > \>\> personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than  
> > \>\> not understanding it.  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Hello,  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > \>\> (first) joke -  
> > \>\> \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > \>\> \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > \>\> \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > \>\> interesting in  
> > \>\> \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > \>\> (humans) have  
> > \>\> \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > \>\> not be nice  
> > \>\> \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > \>\> their age 😉  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>  
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