# simple operations

**URL:** <https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577>\
**Category:** ruby-talk\
**Created:** [27 September 2021 12:53 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577 "2021-09-27T12:53:22Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Saji\_Hameed](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/saji_hameed/32/2120_2.png) [@Saji\_Hameed](https://rubytalk.org/u/Saji_Hameed)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 09:30 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/21 "2021-09-29T09:30:16Z")

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Thanks, Robert!

Now, it is beginning to feel that we are back in a ruby talk list.

saji

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 5:13 PM Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 7:24 PM Sean Felipe Wolfe \<ether.joe@gmail.com\> \> wrote:
> > 
> > > For myself, I am a big fan of the "MINASWAN" doctrine in Ruby,
> > > 
> > > Matz Is Nice And So We Are Nice.
> > 
> > These days I read and post very rarely on ruby-talk but keep the  
> > subscription (maybe some form of nostalgia?). This community used to be  
> > very friendly most of the time and I find it a bit sad that the same sorts  
> > of conflicts start to pop up here as well that we see elsewhere. I guess,  
> > we cannot escape general trends in society. I would love though if we could  
> > keep as much of the friendliness as possible and also retain the occasional  
> > humor.
> > 
> > > If someone wants to argue a lot ... maybe time to switch to Python 😂
> > 
> > 🙂
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > robert
> > 
> > --  
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> 
> --

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**Author:** ![Ryan\_Davis1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/ryan_davis1/32/1848_2.png) [@Ryan\_Davis1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Ryan_Davis1)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 10:25 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/22 "2021-09-29T10:25:55Z")

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No. Knock that bullshit off.

> **···**
>
> > On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > 
> > # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉

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**Author:** ![Die\_Optimisten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Die\_Optimisten](https://rubytalk.org/u/Die_Optimisten)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 13:02 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/23 "2021-09-29T13:02:49Z")

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Hello,  
Thank you for that many comments!  
Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
someone who can explain it to you?  
- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉

Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
to you and some others]

- Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"

Bye, Opti 🙂

> **···**
>
> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:
> 
> > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉
> > 
> > No. Knock that bullshit off.
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);

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**Author:** ![Robert\_K1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/robert_k1/32/1830_2.png) [@Robert\_K1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Robert_K1)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 13:10 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/24 "2021-09-29T13:10:29Z")

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You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing.  
And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,  
> > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > 
> > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > to you and some others]
> > 
> > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > 
> > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > 
> > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉  
> > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>  
> > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> 
> --  
> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can  
> - without end}  
> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)

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**Author:** ![nfgallimore](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/nfgallimore/32/2092_2.png) [@nfgallimore](https://rubytalk.org/u/nfgallimore)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 13:30 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/25 "2021-09-29T13:30:04Z")

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Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.

Sincerely,  
Nicholas Gallimore

> **···**
>
> > On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> wrote:
> > 
> > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:  
> > > Hello,  
> > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > 
> > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > to you and some others]
> > > 
> > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > 
> > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > 
> > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:  
> > > \>\>  
> > > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉  
> > > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > --  
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);

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**Author:** ![NBarnes](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/nbarnes/32/1896_2.png) [@NBarnes](https://rubytalk.org/u/NBarnes)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 13:46 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/26 "2021-09-29T13:46:53Z")

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I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
congruent with MINSWAN.

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \<nfgallimore@gmail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.
> > 
> > Sincerely,  
> > Nicholas Gallimore
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> wrote:
> > 
> > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,  
> > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > 
> > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > to you and some others]
> > > 
> > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > 
> > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > 
> > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:  
> > > \>\>  
> > > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉  
> > > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > --  
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);

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**Author:** ![Die\_Optimisten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Die\_Optimisten](https://rubytalk.org/u/Die_Optimisten)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 14:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/27 "2021-09-29T14:15:35Z")

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Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?

Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]

by Opti

> **···**
>
> Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:
> 
> > I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > congruent with MINSWAN.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \<nfgallimore@gmail.com\> wrote:
> > 
> > > Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,  
> > > Nicholas Gallimore
> > > 
> > > On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,  
> > > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > > 
> > > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > > to you and some others]
> > > > 
> > > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > > 
> > > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > > 
> > > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:
> > > > 
> > > > > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉
> > > > > 
> > > > > No. Knock that bullshit off.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > > 
> > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > --  
> > > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can - without end}  
> > > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);

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**Author:** ![Robert\_K1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/robert_k1/32/1830_2.png) [@Robert\_K1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Robert_K1)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 14:36 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/28 "2021-09-29T14:36:00Z")

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Note: you can get hurt even if you do not belong to the group that has been  
mocked. Please stop trying to save your blunder and let us get back to  
technical topics. Thank you!

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 4:16 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?
> > 
> > Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]
> > 
> > by Opti
> > 
> > Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > \>  
> > \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \<nfgallimore@gmail.com\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Sincerely,  
> > \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>   
> > \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal  
> > thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding  
> > it.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \< \> inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:  
> > \>\>\> Hello,  
> > \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans)  
> > have  
> > \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be  
> > nice  
> > \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\>\>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age  
> > 😉  
> > \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>\>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\>\>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> --  
> > \>\> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > \>\> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> 
> --  
> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can  
> - without end}  
> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)

---

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Fowley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerard_fowley/32/2085_2.png) [@Gerard\_Fowley](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerard_Fowley)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2021 15:01 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/29 "2021-09-29T15:01:51Z")

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The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:

\<goog\_800961782\>  
[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)

\*Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We want to keep  
this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies, very young people,  
and their teachers, as well as cater to fire breathing wizards. :-)\*

We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite request that we  
not make comments that make this place inhospitable to others should not be  
controversial.

-gf-

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?
> > 
> > Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]
> > 
> > by Opti
> > 
> > Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > \>  
> > \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \<nfgallimore@gmail.com\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Sincerely,  
> > \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \<shortcutter@googlemail.com\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>   
> > \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal  
> > thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding  
> > it.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \< \> inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:  
> > \>\>\> Hello,  
> > \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans)  
> > have  
> > \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be  
> > nice  
> > \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\>\>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age  
> > 😉  
> > \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>\>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\>\>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\>  
> > \>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \>\>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> --  
> > \>\> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > \>\> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
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> > \>\> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\>  
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Why can't somebody give up? You can have good people only if evil one exists. You can have non-sexist only if sexist exist.

Assume that you are doing a great job making others feel good because of you. That's nice!

Unfortunately you are in a verse where Alexander is great, Hitler is evil, Churchill and USA has never commited genocide, and worst some use vim.

Humans aren't elevated enough to see all is a happening, they want to put it in bins labelled Good, Bad and lot more. Accept this happening and go on.

- Karthikeyan A K

> **···**
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> 
> -------- Original Message --------  
> On 29 Sep 2021, 6:40 pm, Robert Klemme wrote:
> 
> > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,  
> > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > 
> > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > to you and some others]
> > > 
> > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > 
> > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > 
> > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:
> > > 
> > > > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉
> > > > 
> > > > No. Knock that bullshit off.
> > > > 
> > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)

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>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:14 AM Karthikeyan A K \<mindaslab@protonmail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > Why can't somebody give up? You can have good people only if evil one  
> > exists. You can have non-sexist only if sexist exist.
> > 
> > Assume that you are doing a great job making others feel good because of  
> > you. That's nice!
> > 
> > Unfortunately you are in a verse where Alexander is great, Hitler is evil,  
> > Churchill and USA has never commited genocide, and worst some use vim.
> > 
> > Humans aren't elevated enough to see all is a happening, they want to put  
> > it in bins labelled Good, Bad and lot more. Accept this happening and go on.
> > 
> > - Karthikeyan A K
> > 
> > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------  
> > On 29 Sep 2021, 6:40 pm, Robert Klemme \< shortcutter@googlemail.com\> \> wrote:
> > 
> > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing.  
> > And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,  
> > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > 
> > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > to you and some others]
> > > 
> > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > 
> > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > 
> > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \>\> wrote:  
> > > \>\>  
> > > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉  
> > > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > --  
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);

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>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 10:18 AM Jacob Vass \<jacobvass@gmail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > Unsubscribe
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:14 AM Karthikeyan A K \<mindaslab@protonmail.com\> \> wrote:
> > 
> > > Why can't somebody give up? You can have good people only if evil one  
> > > exists. You can have non-sexist only if sexist exist.
> > > 
> > > Assume that you are doing a great job making others feel good because of  
> > > you. That's nice!
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately you are in a verse where Alexander is great, Hitler is  
> > > evil, Churchill and USA has never commited genocide, and worst some use vim.
> > > 
> > > Humans aren't elevated enough to see all is a happening, they want to put  
> > > it in bins labelled Good, Bad and lot more. Accept this happening and go on.
> > > 
> > > - Karthikeyan A K
> > > 
> > > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> > > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------  
> > > On 29 Sep 2021, 6:40 pm, Robert Klemme \< shortcutter@googlemail.com\> \>\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing.  
> > > And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \>\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,  
> > > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > > 
> > > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > > to you and some others]
> > > > 
> > > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > > 
> > > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > > 
> > > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > \>\>  
> > > > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age  
> > > > 😉  
> > > > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > > \>  
> > > > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > > 
> > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
> > > --  
> > > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > > 
> > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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> > 
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The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing is, a lot of posters in  
this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive to anyone. This is understandable,  
as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and furthermore there is not a single set  
of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd strongly disagree with an idea to defer  
to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go wrong, not to mention: "Ruby without  
fun wouldn't be as intended").

Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here, the Ruby Community Conduct  
Guidelines:

[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)

\>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good  
\>intentions.

I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die Optimisten didn't have bad intentions  
while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.

> **···**
>
> On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:
> 
> > The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:
> > 
> > \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)
> > 
> > /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We want to keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies, very young people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire breathing wizards. :-)/
> > 
> > We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite request that we not make comments that make this place inhospitable to others should not be controversial.
> > 
> > -gf-
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;by Opti
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Sincerely,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\> \> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>   
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not understanding it.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Hello,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(first) joke -  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;interesting in  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(humans) have  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not be nice  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;their age 😉  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org\>?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
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> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;often\> as.you\_can - without end}  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/&gt](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/&gt);  
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**Post date:** [29 September 2021 19:19 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/34 "2021-09-29T19:19:08Z")

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Sorry I’m new here; which mailing list do I subscribe to that excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?

> **···**
>
> > On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc\> wrote:
> > 
> > The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing is, a lot of posters in  
> > this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive to anyone. This is understandable,  
> > as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and furthermore there is not a single set  
> > of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd strongly disagree with an idea to defer  
> > to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go wrong, not to mention: "Ruby without  
> > fun wouldn't be as intended").
> > 
> > Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here, the Ruby Community Conduct  
> > Guidelines:
> > 
> > [The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)
> > 
> > \>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good  
> > \>intentions.
> > 
> > I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die Optimisten didn't have bad intentions  
> > while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.
> > 
> > On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:
> > 
> > > The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:
> > > 
> > > \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)
> > > 
> > > /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We want to keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies, very young people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire breathing wizards. :-)/
> > > 
> > > We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite request that we not make comments that make this place inhospitable to others should not be controversial.
> > > 
> > > -gf-
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;by Opti
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \>\> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Sincerely,  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \>\> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\> \>\> wrote:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>   
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not understanding it.  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Hello,  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(first) joke -  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;interesting in  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(humans) have  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not be nice  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;their age 😉  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org\>?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>\>  
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> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;often\> as.you\_can - without end}  
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
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> excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?

+1 Jeremy.

PR to remove language that (indirectly) condones generally negative  
behavior from the Ruby conduct docs:

> <https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690>
>
> My rationale for these changes are documented on Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/J…akeHerrington/status/1443286841533374469

Opti: No one is over-reacting or "canceling" people, we're just telling you  
that you made an ass of yourself (no shame, I do that all the time), and  
offering the opportunity to own up to it and do better going forward. We  
all make mistakes and everyone has made an offensive or mindless comment  
that they come to regret upon reflection. Thanks for contributing to the  
discussion here, but I think many of us would appreciate more thoughtful  
comments around the work we've built as a community.

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:19 PM Jeremy “Ibi-Wan” Kent \<ibiwan@gmail.com\> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry I’m new here; which mailing list do I subscribe to that excludes  
> > condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?
> > 
> > \> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc\> wrote:  
> > \>  
> > \> The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing is, a  
> > lot of posters in  
> > \> this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive to  
> > anyone. This is understandable,  
> > \> as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and furthermore  
> > there is not a single set  
> > \> of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd strongly  
> > disagree with an idea to defer  
> > \> to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go wrong, not  
> > to mention: "Ruby without  
> > \> fun wouldn't be as intended").  
> > \>  
> > \> Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here, the  
> > Ruby Community Conduct  
> > \> Guidelines:  
> > \>  
> > \> [The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)  
> > \>  
> > \> \>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should  
> > always assume good  
> > \> \>intentions.  
> > \>  
> > \> I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die Optimisten  
> > didn't have bad intentions  
> > \> while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.  
> > \>  
> > \> On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:  
> > \>\> The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > \>\>  
> > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \<  
> > [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \>  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We want to  
> > keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies, very young  
> > people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire breathing wizards. :-)/  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite request that  
> > we not make comments that make this place inhospitable to others should not  
> > be controversial.  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> -gf-  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \< \> inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > \>\> Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> by Opti  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > \>\> \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is constructive or  
> > \>\> \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > \>\> \>  
> > \>\> \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \> \>\> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> Sincerely,  
> > \>\> \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme \> \>\> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\> \> \>\> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>   
> > \>\> \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > \>\> personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than  
> > \>\> not understanding it.  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Hello,  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > \>\> (first) joke -  
> > \>\> \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > \>\> \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > \>\> \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > \>\> interesting in  
> > \>\> \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > \>\> (humans) have  
> > \>\> \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > \>\> not be nice  
> > \>\> \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> \> wrote:  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > \>\> their age 😉  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > \>\> \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org\>?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\>  
> > \>\> \>\> --  
> > \>\> \>\> [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as,  
> > \>\> often\> as.you\_can - without end}  
> > \>\> \>\> [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
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I would like to express my wholehearted support for this PR. Thanks for  
making those changes, Jacob!

> **···**
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 02:41:07PM -0500, Jacob Herrington wrote:
> 
> > PR to remove language that (indirectly) condones generally negative  
> > behavior from the Ruby conduct docs:  
> > [Remove abuse enabling language by jacobherrington · Pull Request #2690 · ruby/www.ruby-lang.org · GitHub](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690)
> 
> --  
> Charlie Jonas  
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> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:14 AM Karthikeyan A K \< \>\> mindaslab@protonmail.com\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Why can't somebody give up? You can have good people only if evil one  
> > > > exists. You can have non-sexist only if sexist exist.
> > > > 
> > > > Assume that you are doing a great job making others feel good because of  
> > > > you. That's nice!
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately you are in a verse where Alexander is great, Hitler is  
> > > > evil, Churchill and USA has never commited genocide, and worst some use vim.
> > > > 
> > > > Humans aren't elevated enough to see all is a happening, they want to  
> > > > put it in bins labelled Good, Bad and lot more. Accept this happening and  
> > > > go on.
> > > > 
> > > > - Karthikeyan A K
> > > > 
> > > > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> > > > 
> > > > -------- Original Message --------  
> > > > On 29 Sep 2021, 6:40 pm, Robert Klemme \< shortcutter@googlemail.com\> \>\>\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal  
> > > > thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding  
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \< \>\>\> inform@die-optimisten.net\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hello,  
> > > > > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > > > > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > > > > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > > > > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > > > > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > > > > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > > > > 
> > > > > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > > > > to you and some others]
> > > > > 
> > > > > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > > > > 
> > > > > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > > > > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net\> \>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > > \>\>  
> > > > > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age  
> > > > > 😉  
> > > > > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > > > > \>  
> > > > > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > > 
> > > > --  
> > > > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often|  
> > > > as.you\_can - without end}  
> > > > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)
> > > > 
> > > > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > > 
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> > 
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**Author:** ![Jeremy\_Ibi-Wan\_Kent](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/jeremy_ibi-wan_kent/32/2408_2.png) [@Jeremy\_Ibi-Wan\_Kent](https://rubytalk.org/u/Jeremy_Ibi-Wan_Kent)\
**Post date:** [30 September 2021 16:29 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/38 "2021-09-30T16:29:19Z")

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I would like to clarify "protected classes” since several people were asking, and a few offered incorrect clarifications.

> **[Protected group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group)**
>
> A protected group, protected class (US), or prohibited ground (Canada) is a category by which people qualified for special protection by a law, policy, or similar authority. In Canada and the United States, the term is frequently used in connection with employees and employment and housing. Where illegal discrimination on the basis of protected group status is concerned, a single act of discrimination may be based on more than one protected class. For example, discrimination based on antisemit...

[https://www.senate.ca.gov/content/protected-classes](https://www.senate.ca.gov/content/protected-classes)  
[https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/5-501-5857](https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/5-501-5857)

> **[Non-discrimination](https://commission.europa.eu/aid-development-cooperation-fundamental-rights/your-rights-eu/know-your-rights/equality/non-discrimination_en)**
>
> Non-discrimination is laid out in the chapter on equality of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

Protected groups include age, race, ethnicity, genetics, culture, religion, politics, marital or parental status, sex, orientation, disability, and others  
— they do NOT include “member of a board of directors”.

> **···**
>
> > On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:07 AM, Navneet Pandey \<npandey057@gmail.com\> wrote:
> > 
> > Unsubscribe
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Sep, 2021, 12:43 am Kyle Daniel, \<kylerdanielster@gmail.com \<mailto:kylerdanielster@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > Unsubscribe
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 10:18 AM Jacob Vass \<jacobvass@gmail.com \<mailto:jacobvass@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > Unsubscribe
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:14 AM Karthikeyan A K \<mindaslab@protonmail.com \<mailto:mindaslab@protonmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > Why can't somebody give up? You can have good people only if evil one exists. You can have non-sexist only if sexist exist.
> > 
> > Assume that you are doing a great job making others feel good because of you. That's nice!
> > 
> > Unfortunately you are in a verse where Alexander is great, Hitler is evil, Churchill and USA has never commited genocide, and worst some use vim.
> > 
> > Humans aren't elevated enough to see all is a happening, they want to put it in bins labelled Good, Bad and lot more. Accept this happening and go on.
> > 
> > - Karthikeyan A K
> > 
> > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------  
> > On 29 Sep 2021, 6:40 pm, Robert Klemme \< shortcutter@googlemail.com \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\> wrote:
> > 
> > You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a joke than not understanding it.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > Hello,  
> > Thank you for that many comments!  
> > Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my (first) joke -  
> > someone who can explain it to you?  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > I want to have some fun, getting something informal and interesting in  
> > that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we (humans) have  
> > to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉
> > 
> > Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would not be nice  
> > to you and some others]
> > 
> > - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"
> > 
> > Bye, Opti 🙂
> > 
> > Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\> wrote:  
> > \>\>  
> > \>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age 😉  
> > \> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \>  
> > \> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \> \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > --  
> > [guy, jim, charlie, sho].each {|him| remember.him do |as, often| as.you\_can - without end}  
> > [http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/](http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/)  
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);
> > 
> > Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe\>  
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**Author:** ![hmdne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7feea3/32.png) [@hmdne](https://rubytalk.org/u/hmdne)\
**Post date:** [1 October 2021 21:31 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/39 "2021-10-01T21:31:11Z")

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I started a new pull request where I suggest a possible resolution.

> <https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2696>
>
> I joined the Ruby-Talk mailing list a few months ago. It is a very
> slowly movin…g medium, mostly focused on a show-and-tell and newbie
> questions. This list is used by two groups of people, hobbyists and
> professionals. I am rather a member of a second group and in my
> messages I tried to be as civil as possible. But hobbyists may not
> share that trait with us, not due to a malice, but rather due to
> a fact, that... many of them are young.
> 
> I am generalizing somewhat, I know. I am a hobbyist too and Ruby is
> one of the most fun environments I have gotten to know. I just tried
> to describe my observation. And if I'm right in my observation,
> removing the young people may ultimately result in Ruby community
> slowly withering out and dying.
> 
> In my life experience I have gotten to know two methods of governance.
> One is to "encourage" everyone to act civil, other is to "enforce"
> everyone to do so. While I understand that it's not binary and
> sometimes you need to "enforce", I am a strong proponent of the
> "encouragement" stance whenever possible for a single reason that it
> produces less tensions.
> 
> Politics are heated. That's a fact. Everyone has their own opinion
> and each opinion is the best. You can't encourage the other side that
> their opinion is wrong, but you will still attempt to. Why is that so?
> We all live in different worlds, we all have different observations.
> We read different media, we care about different things. It doesn't
> matter - it will probably never end up in an agreement but will
> devolve into lengthy and lengthy conversations, most of which will be
> ultimately fruitless.
> 
> The conversation in question we had was exactly an example of that,
> about 50 posts of a heated debate (which is a lot of traffic for this
> ML). Do we want such debates to take place on Ruby-Talk or other core
> Ruby communities? 
> 
> In this PR I suggest reverting both #2690 and #2691 and introducing
> a clause:
> 
> \`\`\`
> \* Participants will do their best to not start or advance political or otherwise divisive conversations.
> \`\`\`
> 
> It is intentionally worded in a non-enforcing way. Sometimes a really
> pushing problem happens. But this point will make sure that members of
> the community will consider to back off from absolutely trying to show
> their opinion.
> 
> Here I would also want to take an opportunity to appologize to
> @jacobherrington if he felt that he was personally attacked by my
> actions - that was not my intention. I happen to disagree with some of
> your opinions, agree with some. But let's leave it at that. If everyone
> agreed with everyone else, the world would be extremely boring. At
> least we can all agree that Ruby is cool.
> 
> References: #2693, #2695.

> **···**
>
> On 9/29/21 9:41 PM, Jacob Herrington wrote:
> 
> > \> excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?
> > 
> > +1 Jeremy.
> > 
> > PR to remove language that (indirectly) condones generally negative behavior from the Ruby conduct docs: [Remove abuse enabling language by jacobherrington · Pull Request #2690 · ruby/www.ruby-lang.org · GitHub](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690)
> > 
> > Opti: No one is over-reacting or "canceling" people, we're just telling you that you made an ass of yourself (no shame, I do that all the time), and offering the opportunity to own up to it and do better going forward. We all make mistakes and everyone has made an offensive or mindless comment that they come to regret upon reflection. Thanks for contributing to the discussion here, but I think many of us would appreciate more thoughtful comments around the work we've built as a community.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:19 PM Jeremy “Ibi-Wan” Kent \> \<ibiwan@gmail.com \<mailto:ibiwan@gmail.com\>\> wrote:
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sorry I’m new here; which mailing list do I subscribe to that  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc \> \<mailto:hmdne@airmail.cc\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is, a lot of posters in  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to anyone. This is understandable,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;furthermore there is not a single set  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;strongly disagree with an idea to defer  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;wrong, not to mention: "Ruby without  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> fun wouldn't be as intended").  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the Ruby Community Conduct  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> Guidelines:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> [The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/&gt);  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> \>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;should always assume good  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> \>intentions.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optimisten didn't have bad intentions  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\> On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt);  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt;&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt;&gt);  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;want to keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;very young people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;breathing wizards. :-)/  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;request that we not make comments that make this place  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;inhospitable to others should not be controversial.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> -gf-  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> by Opti  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;constructive or  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \> \>\> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\> \> \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> Sincerely,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>   
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;joke than  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> not understanding it.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Hello,  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> (first) joke -  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> interesting in  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> (humans) have  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> not be nice  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> their age 😉  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\> Unsubscribe: \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<mailto:ruby-talk-request@ruby-lang.org\>\>?subject=unsubscribe\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\>\> \>\>\>\>  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk)  
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk&gt);  
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**Author:** ![Vinicius\_Alves\_Hax](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/vinicius_alves_hax/32/2423_2.png) [@Vinicius\_Alves\_Hax](https://rubytalk.org/u/Vinicius_Alves_Hax)\
**Post date:** [1 October 2021 22:49 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/simple-operations/75577/40 "2021-10-01T22:49:24Z")

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hmdne: I like your suggestion. Its a good half term.

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> **···**
>
> Em sex., 1 de out. de 2021 às 18:31, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc\> escreveu:
> 
> > I started a new pull request where I suggest a possible resolution.
> > 
> > [https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2696](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2696)
> > 
> > On 9/29/21 9:41 PM, Jacob Herrington wrote:  
> > \> \> excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?  
> > \>  
> > \> +1 Jeremy.  
> > \>  
> > \> PR to remove language that (indirectly) condones generally negative  
> > \> behavior from the Ruby conduct docs:  
> > \> [Remove abuse enabling language by jacobherrington · Pull Request #2690 · ruby/www.ruby-lang.org · GitHub](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690)  
> > \> \<[https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690&gt](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690&gt);  
> > \>  
> > \> Opti: No one is over-reacting or "canceling" people, we're just  
> > \> telling you that you made an ass of yourself (no shame, I do that all  
> > \> the time), and offering the opportunity to own up to it and do better  
> > \> going forward. We all make mistakes and everyone has made an offensive  
> > \> or mindless comment that they come to regret upon reflection. Thanks  
> > \> for contributing to the discussion here, but I think many of us would  
> > \> appreciate more thoughtful comments around the work we've built as a  
> > \> community.  
> > \>  
> > \>  
> > \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:19 PM Jeremy “Ibi-Wan” Kent \> \> \<ibiwan@gmail.com \<mailto:ibiwan@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > \>  
> > \> Sorry I’m new here; which mailing list do I subscribe to that  
> > \> excludes condoning bigoted comments even if the intent was harmless?  
> > \>  
> > \> \> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, hmdne \<hmdne@airmail.cc \> \> \<mailto:hmdne@airmail.cc\>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> The intent of your message is absolutely uncontroversial. Thing  
> > \> is, a lot of posters in  
> > \> \> this group can't see how this particular joke can be offensive  
> > \> to anyone. This is understandable,  
> > \> \> as this joke was, on a scale of offensiveness very low and  
> > \> furthermore there is not a single set  
> > \> \> of values that all posters subscribe to (and personally, I'd  
> > \> strongly disagree with an idea to defer  
> > \> \> to something like a superset of all - a lot of things can go  
> > \> wrong, not to mention: "Ruby without  
> > \> \> fun wouldn't be as intended").  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> Yet all is not lost, we have another document that applies here,  
> > \> the Ruby Community Conduct  
> > \> \> Guidelines:  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> [The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/)  
> > \> \<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/&gt);  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> \>When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants  
> > \> should always assume good  
> > \> \> \>intentions.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> I am absolutely sure (and I believe you also are) that Die  
> > \> Optimisten didn't have bad intentions  
> > \> \> while writing that joke. But if someone isn't - this point applies.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> On 9/29/21 5:01 PM, Gerard Fowley wrote:  
> > \> \>\> The letter and intent of posting guidelines are clear:  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> \<goog\_800961782\>  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> [Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \> \<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt);  
> > \> \<[Posting Guidelines for the Ruby-Talk Mailing List](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/)  
> > \> \<[https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt;&gt](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ruby-talk-guidelines/&gt;&gt);  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> /Always be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful. We  
> > \> want to keep this list hospitable to the growing ranks of newbies,  
> > \> very young people, and their teachers, as well as cater to fire  
> > \> breathing wizards. :-)/  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> We implicitly agree to them when we post here. My polite  
> > \> request that we not make comments that make this place  
> > \> inhospitable to others should not be controversial.  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> -gf-  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:15 AM Die Optimisten \> \> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> Yes, I agree - not constructive (including my statement...)  
> > \> \>\> Any girls there, who want to give some feedback?  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> Is this a 100%male list??? [then nobody is being hurt 🙂]  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> by Opti  
> > \> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> Am 29.09.21 um 15:46 schrieb NBarnes:  
> > \> \>\> \> I'm not entirely convinced that this statement is  
> > \> constructive or  
> > \> \>\> \> congruent with MINSWAN.  
> > \> \>\> \>  
> > \> \>\> \> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:30 AM Nick Gallimore \> \> \>\> \<nfgallimore@gmail.com \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\> \> \> \<mailto:nfgallimore@gmail.com\>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>\> \>\> Will you guys knock it off. Go back to Facebook.  
> > \> \>\> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\> Sincerely,  
> > \> \>\> \>\> Nicholas Gallimore  
> > \> \>\> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Robert Klemme  
> > \> \>\> \<shortcutter@googlemail.com  
> > \> \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>  
> > \> \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com  
> > \> \<mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com\>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>\> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>   
> > \> \>\> \>\> You should keep in mind that humor is a very cultural and  
> > \> \>\> personal thing. And: there are other reasons to object a  
> > \> joke than  
> > \> \>\> not understanding it.  
> > \> \>\> \>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:03 PM Die Optimisten \> \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Hello,  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Thank you for that many comments!  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Looks like, you (some people here) didn't understand my  
> > \> \>\> (first) joke -  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> someone who can explain it to you?  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> - What I want to say: keep friendly!  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> I want to have some fun, getting something informal and  
> > \> \>\> interesting in  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> that list, Ruby without fun would'nt be as intendet, so we  
> > \> \>\> (humans) have  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> to care for the fun, Ruby cares of the computers 😉  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Better to not say the next words [don't read it!! - it would  
> > \> \>\> not be nice  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> to you and some others]  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> - Ok, for the rest: "No, knock that bullshit off!"  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Bye, Opti 🙂  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\> Am 29.09.21 um 12:25 schrieb Ryan Davis:  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>\>\> On Sep 27, 2021, at 05:54, Die Optimisten \> \> \>\> \<inform@die-optimisten.net \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\> \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net \> \> \<mailto:inform@die-optimisten.net\>\>\> wrote:  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>\>\>  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>\>\> # Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated  
> > \> \>\> their age 😉  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>\> No. Knock that bullshit off.  
> > \> \>\> \>\>\>\>  
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