# Ruby Forum \> Ruby Talk \> comp.lang.ruby? **URL:** \ **Category:** ruby-talk\ **Created:** [16 September 2007 12:11 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660 "2007-09-16T12:11:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kenneth\_LL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a8b319/32.png) [@Kenneth\_LL](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth_LL)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 12:11 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/1 "2007-09-16T12:11:33Z")
so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk and anything posted to Ruby Talk will post to comp.lang.ruby. but then people replying on the comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer through to the Ruby Talk poster... and then, Ruby Forum is even on top of Ruby Talk and comp.lang.ruby... so people replying in Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer through to Ruby Forum... So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in all 3 places? > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Marc\_Heiler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Marc\_Heiler](https://rubytalk.org/u/Marc_Heiler)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 12:41 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/2 "2007-09-16T12:41:05Z")
> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > all 3 places? I dont know but I rarely check on the mailing list these days with this forum here available. > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C). ---
**Author:** ![James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://rubytalk.org/u/James_Edward_Gray_II)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 15:30 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/3 "2007-09-16T15:30:42Z")
> so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk… I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk. > but then people replying on the comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer > through to the Ruby Talk poster... The gateway between Ruby Talk and comp.lang.ruby ferries messages both ways, so I don't understand what you are saying here either. James Edward Gray II > **···** > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth LL wrote: ---
**Author:** ![Andreas\_S3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Andreas\_S3](https://rubytalk.org/u/Andreas_S3)\ **Post date:** [25 September 2007 20:47 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/4 "2007-09-25T20:47:51Z")
Ruby-Forum is connected to the mailing list. All posts from the forum are sent to the mailing list; the other way round is a bit more difficult. The gateway was a bit flaky in this direction, and in case of a temporary outage the mails from that period wouldn't be processed automatically when the software came back up. I'm importing all the missing posts that have accumulated right now, which will be quite a flood... The good news is that I have completely rewritten the gateway software today, it's much more robust now, and I am confident that problems like this won't happen anymore. Sorry for the trouble. Regards, Andreas > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 12:48 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/5 "2007-09-16T12:48:58Z")
this is replying from Google's Ruby Talk... let's see where it will get to... > **···** > > On Sep 16, 5:41 am, Marc Heiler \ wrote: > > > \> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > > \> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > > \> all 3 places? ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 12:50 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/6 "2007-09-16T12:50:10Z")
this is replying from comp.lang.ruby let's see where it will get to... > **···** > > On Sep 16, 5:41 am, Marc Heiler \ wrote: > > > \> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > > \> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > > \> all 3 places? ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 13:03 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/7 "2007-09-16T13:03:08Z")
Marc Heiler wrote: > > So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > > all 3 places? Looks like Ruby Forum \> ( Ruby Talk = comp.lang.ruby ) posting to Ruby Forumwill post to all three posting to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will automatically post to the other, but won't go to Ruby Forum. so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email. > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C). ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 01:35 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/8 "2007-09-17T01:35:05Z")
So, can I assume that Ruby Talk == comp.lang.ruby ? and then Ruby Forum post its messages to Ruby Talk/comp.lang.ruby but never get the posts from there back to Ruby Forum? ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 01:35 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/9 "2007-09-17T01:35:06Z")
so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google just makes a mirror of it? Where is the official place for Ruby Talk? > **···** > > On Sep 16, 8:30 am, James Edward Gray II \ wrote: > > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth LL wrote: > > > > \> so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk... > > > > I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk. ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/94ad74/32.png) [@Kenneth](https://rubytalk.org/u/Kenneth)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 13:04 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/10 "2007-09-16T13:04:17Z")
Summercool Summercool wrote: > so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby > waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to > Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email. so if you want an answer or a new posting to get to the widest audience group, always use Ruby Forum to post... > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C). ---
**Author:** ![Konrad\_Meyer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/df705f/32.png) [@Konrad\_Meyer](https://rubytalk.org/u/Konrad_Meyer)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 13:13 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/11 "2007-09-16T13:13:06Z")
Quoth Summercool Summercool: > Marc Heiler wrote: > \>\> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > \>\> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > \>\> all 3 places? > > Looks like > > Ruby Forum \> ( Ruby Talk = comp.lang.ruby ) > > posting to Ruby Forumwill post to all three > > posting to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will automatically post to the > other, but won't go to Ruby Forum. > > so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby > waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to > Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email. I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so long as you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk \<-\> usenet gateway that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages marked as from there. > **···** > > -- > Konrad Meyer \ [http://konrad.sobertillnoon.com/](http://konrad.sobertillnoon.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Terry\_Poulin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Terry\_Poulin](https://rubytalk.org/u/Terry_Poulin)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 16:57 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/12 "2007-09-16T16:57:25Z")
Summercool wrote: > > \> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > > \> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > > \> all 3 places? > > this is replying from Google's Ruby Talk... > let's see where it will get to... And this from the Ruby-Talk Mailing List 🙂 If I had usenet service, I'd probably use comp.lang.ruby instead. > **···** > > > On Sep 16, 5:41 am, Marc Heiler \ wrote: > > -- >      > Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! > 55% of income to good causes. [http://www.ippimail.com](http://www.ippimail.com) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://rubytalk.org/u/James_Edward_Gray_II)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 01:43 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/13 "2007-09-17T01:43:28Z")
It's suppose to. There are a small percentage of messages that aren't gated, for practical reasons. But, on the whole, yes. James Edward Gray II > **···** > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Summercool wrote: > > > So, can I assume that > > > > Ruby Talk == comp.lang.ruby ? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://rubytalk.org/u/James_Edward_Gray_II)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 01:44 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/14 "2007-09-17T01:44:41Z")
> > > so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk... > > > > I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk. > > so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google > just makes a mirror of it? Someone created the Google mirror, yes. > Where is the official place for Ruby Talk? [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/) James Edward Gray II > **···** > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Summercool wrote: > > > On Sep 16, 8:30 am, James Edward Gray II \ \> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth LL wrote: ---
**Author:** ![Unknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@Unknown](https://rubytalk.org/u/Unknown)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 02:15 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/15 "2007-09-17T02:15:18Z")
> so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google > just makes a mirror of it? Google, as far as I know, only archieves and provides http interface to comp.lang.ruby. Google Groups provides http interface to many Usenet newsgroups. So, that's not anything specific to comp.lang.ruby. You seem to be accessing this newsgroup via Google Groups. Many people, use a news reader and access it via NNTP. You would need to setup your news reader (Outlook Express on Windows, or Mozilla Thunderbird on Linux, for example) to access this news group this way. > Where is the official place for Ruby Talk? [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/) archieves Ruby Talk: [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml) and other lists like ruby-dev. To acess Ruby Talk or other mailing lists, you would need to subscribe by sending an e-mail to ruby-lang.org (mailto:ruby-talk-ctl@ruby-lang.org?subject=subscribe&body=subscribe%20YourFirstName%20YourFamilyName) . See the links for the mailing list at the bottom of the page in the link: [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml) -Venkat > **···** > > "Summercool" \ wrote ---
**Author:** ![Jan\_Svitok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jan\_Svitok](https://rubytalk.org/u/Jan_Svitok)\ **Post date:** [17 September 2007 18:49 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/16 "2007-09-17T18:49:56Z")
Perhaps you should tell the ruby-forum maintainer to check for possible problems, with the same info as you provided to James? For me it seems to be a problem on their (receving) side (unless it's settled already). > **···** > > On 9/17/07, Summercool \ wrote: > > > So, can I assume that > > > > Ruby Talk == comp.lang.ruby ? > > > > and then Ruby Forum post its messages to Ruby Talk/comp.lang.ruby > > but never get the posts from there back to Ruby Forum? ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_K1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/robert_k1/32/1830_2.png) [@Robert\_K1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Robert_K1)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 14:50 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/17 "2007-09-16T14:50:08Z")
You are right. The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news-\>email gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much about it but you should be aware of this. Kind regards   robert > **···** > > On 16.09.2007 15:13, Konrad Meyer wrote: > > > Quoth Summercool Summercool: > > > > > Marc Heiler wrote: > > > > > > > > So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that > > > > > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in > > > > > all 3 places? > > > > > > Looks like > > > > > > Ruby Forum \> ( Ruby Talk = comp.lang.ruby ) > > > > > > posting to Ruby Forumwill post to all three > > > > > > posting to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will automatically post to the other, but won't go to Ruby Forum. > > > > > > so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email. > > > > I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so long as > > you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk \<-\> usenet gateway > > that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages marked as from > > there. ---
**Author:** ![F\_Senault](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@F\_Senault](https://rubytalk.org/u/F_Senault)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 18:40 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/18 "2007-09-16T18:40:04Z")
[http://news.lacave.net/acces.html](http://news.lacave.net/acces.html) (The page is in french, but I distribute parts of the Big8, including clr.) Fred > **···** > > Le 16 septembre 2007 à 18:57, Terry Poulin a écrit : > > > If I had usenet service, I'd probably use comp.lang.ruby instead. > > -- > I have kissed honey lips Felt the healing in her fingertips > It burned like fire This burning desire I have spoke with the tongue > of angels I have held the hand of the devil It was warm in the night > I was cold as a stone (U2, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@James\_Edward\_Gray\_II](https://rubytalk.org/u/James_Edward_Gray_II)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 15:27 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/19 "2007-09-16T15:27:09Z")
The half of the gateway that reads news messages and sends them as emails runs as a cron job every five minutes. If the message has hit our host by the next run, that should be the biggest delay. James Edward Gray II > **···** > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Robert Klemme wrote: > > > The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news-\>email gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much about it but you should be aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Levitt1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Jay\_Levitt1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Jay_Levitt1)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2007 18:10 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660/20 "2007-09-16T18:10:03Z")
Hmm.. how long are those delays? Summercool posted messages from comp.lang.ruby about 6 hours ago that still aren't showing on ruby-talk. What's the source of them, do you know? Just a slow news provider? > **···** > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:48:34 +0200, Robert Klemme wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so long as > > > you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk \<-\> usenet gateway > > > that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages marked as from > > > there. > > > > You are right. The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news-\>email > > gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much > > about it but you should be aware of this. > > -- > Jay Levitt | > Boston, MA | My character doesn't like it when they > Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. > [http://www.jay.fm](http://www.jay.fm) | - Kristoffer [Next page](https://rubytalk.org/t/ruby-forum-ruby-talk-comp-lang-ruby/40660.md?page=2)