Rails vs. Asp.Net politics

Probably with the older version of Ruby? I just updated the
one-click-installer and to Ruby 1.8.4. I can't find a Gem, probably
because of that.

I'll may have an older Ruby on my OSX box, I'll try it there a bit later.

···

On 11/10/06, Mike Harris <GENIE@prodigy.net> wrote:

For RubyCLR, have you tried the gem? I installed the gem a couple weeks
ago, and everything worked flawlessly.

Wow, I have searched this backwater as best as I could to find other
Ruby programmers here! I also search every bookstore I go into for
Ruby books - where did you get them? I have many, but all ordered from
overseas.

Would you agree with the idea that Ruby/Rails on your CV might be
better than ASP.NET (if you already have C# there) - in South Africa?

Also, where do you work? Guruhut.com doesn't resolve to a www server
right now...

···

On 11/10/06, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com> wrote:

On 10 Nov 2006, at 14:23, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

> On 11/10/06, Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> wrote:
>> Leslie Viljoen wrote:
>> > I have the deciding vote in a new (rather large) web app we need to
>> > develop. I am experienced in Rails, but the other 2 guys on the
>> team
>> > know only C# and very basic Ruby. About 25% of the app could
>> benefit
>> > from existing classes written in C#.
>>
>> Well you could sell it as a good CV move for them. In the end they
>> will
>> know C# and Ruby and Rails. Got to be a good thing if they ever
>> want to
>> move.
>>
>> If you already have C# I'm not too sure of the value of adding
>> ASP.NET
>> to your CV.
>
> I think so, although in the backwater of South Africa, very few people
> have ever heard of Ruby or Rails! I have yet to see a single book here
> on either subject.

All I can say is that you're not looking at my bookshelf :slight_smile: From
where I sit in my South African backwater of a study, I see two Ruby
books, plus a PDF or two. In my work environment, most people have
heard of Ruby and Rails. Most view Rails with a certain scepticism,
especially given that we do most of our work in Java. Looking at the
scary complexity of many of the apps we produce for our customers, I
can see why Rails, with it's "constraints are good" philosophy, may
not be the best framework for every Web app. I must admit that I
haven't done much work in Rails, but for me Ruby itself is a
beautiful, elegant language that is a joy to program in.

Try here, as a guess:

http://www.guruhut.co.za/

Best,
James

···

On 2006-11-10 17:54:50 -0500, "Leslie Viljoen" <leslieviljoen@gmail.com> said:

On 11/10/06, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com> wrote:

On 10 Nov 2006, at 14:23, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

> On 11/10/06, Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> wrote:
>> Leslie Viljoen wrote:
>> > I have the deciding vote in a new (rather large) web app we need to
>> > develop. I am experienced in Rails, but the other 2 guys on the
>> team
>> > know only C# and very basic Ruby. About 25% of the app could
>> benefit
>> > from existing classes written in C#.
>>
>> Well you could sell it as a good CV move for them. In the end they
>> will
>> know C# and Ruby and Rails. Got to be a good thing if they ever
>> want to
>> move.
>>
>> If you already have C# I'm not too sure of the value of adding
>> ASP.NET
>> to your CV.
>
> I think so, although in the backwater of South Africa, very few people
> have ever heard of Ruby or Rails! I have yet to see a single book here
> on either subject.

All I can say is that you're not looking at my bookshelf :slight_smile: From
where I sit in my South African backwater of a study, I see two Ruby
books, plus a PDF or two. In my work environment, most people have
heard of Ruby and Rails. Most view Rails with a certain scepticism,
especially given that we do most of our work in Java. Looking at the
scary complexity of many of the apps we produce for our customers, I
can see why Rails, with it's "constraints are good" philosophy, may
not be the best framework for every Web app. I must admit that I
haven't done much work in Rails, but for me Ruby itself is a
beautiful, elegant language that is a joy to program in.

Wow, I have searched this backwater as best as I could to find other
Ruby programmers here! I also search every bookstore I go into for
Ruby books - where did you get them? I have many, but all ordered from
overseas.

Would you agree with the idea that Ruby/Rails on your CV might be
better than ASP.NET (if you already have C# there) - in South Africa?

Also, where do you work? Guruhut.com doesn't resolve to a www server
right now...

I'm mostly a Java programmer (yes, I know, the Dark Side :), but I have enjoyed Ruby since I first discovered it a few years ago. I would think that Ruby/Rails on your CV (if you already have C#) would be a good thing. It's bound to get going here eventually, even though the larger South African corporations all seem to have sold their souls to either Microsoft or IBM.

As for books, I almost always order programming books from Amazon or the like. Bookstore here seem incapable of carrying anything more substantial than "The Dummies Guide to X", "Teach Yourself Y in 21 Days" and an infinite number of titles having something to do with MS Office. And don't get me started on the insane markups on technical books. A book that costs $30 on Amazon is likely to set you back R500 or so in a local bookstore. Even assuming an exchange rate of R8 to the dollar, that's still twice what you should be paying.

Sorry about the Web site issue. We're busy moving servers, so the DNS entries may be still a little messed up. www.guruhut.co.za should resolve correctly.

Later
N

···

On 11 Nov 2006, at 00:54, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

On 11/10/06, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com> wrote:

On 10 Nov 2006, at 14:23, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

>
> I think so, although in the backwater of South Africa, very few people
> have ever heard of Ruby or Rails! I have yet to see a single book here
> on either subject.

All I can say is that you're not looking at my bookshelf :slight_smile: From
where I sit in my South African backwater of a study, I see two Ruby
books, plus a PDF or two. In my work environment, most people have
heard of Ruby and Rails. Most view Rails with a certain scepticism,
especially given that we do most of our work in Java. Looking at the
scary complexity of many of the apps we produce for our customers, I
can see why Rails, with it's "constraints are good" philosophy, may
not be the best framework for every Web app. I must admit that I
haven't done much work in Rails, but for me Ruby itself is a
beautiful, elegant language that is a joy to program in.

Wow, I have searched this backwater as best as I could to find other
Ruby programmers here! I also search every bookstore I go into for
Ruby books - where did you get them? I have many, but all ordered from
overseas.

Would you agree with the idea that Ruby/Rails on your CV might be
better than ASP.NET (if you already have C# there) - in South Africa?

Also, where do you work? Guruhut.com doesn't resolve to a www server
right now...

Leslie Viljoen wrote:

···

On 11/10/06, Mike Harris <GENIE@prodigy.net> wrote:

For RubyCLR, have you tried the gem? I installed the gem a couple weeks
ago, and everything worked flawlessly.

Probably with the older version of Ruby? I just updated the
one-click-installer and to Ruby 1.8.4. I can't find a Gem, probably
because of that.

I'll may have an older Ruby on my OSX box, I'll try it there a bit later.

I run Ruby 1.8.4 on Windows

http://www.iunknown.com/files/rubyclr-0.5.0.gem

hi
how i create a game a ruby?
what's your msn?

···

2006/11/10, James Cunningham <jameshcunningham@gmail.com>:

On 2006-11-10 17:54:50 -0500, "Leslie Viljoen" <leslieviljoen@gmail.com> > said:

> On 11/10/06, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10 Nov 2006, at 14:23, Leslie Viljoen wrote:
>>
>> > On 11/10/06, Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> wrote:
>> >> Leslie Viljoen wrote:
>> >> > I have the deciding vote in a new (rather large) web app we need
to
>> >> > develop. I am experienced in Rails, but the other 2 guys on the
>> >> team
>> >> > know only C# and very basic Ruby. About 25% of the app could
>> >> benefit
>> >> > from existing classes written in C#.
>> >>
>> >> Well you could sell it as a good CV move for them. In the end they
>> >> will
>> >> know C# and Ruby and Rails. Got to be a good thing if they ever
>> >> want to
>> >> move.
>> >>
>> >> If you already have C# I'm not too sure of the value of adding
>> >> ASP.NET
>> >> to your CV.
>> >
>> > I think so, although in the backwater of South Africa, very few
people
>> > have ever heard of Ruby or Rails! I have yet to see a single book
here
>> > on either subject.
>>
>> All I can say is that you're not looking at my bookshelf :slight_smile: From
>> where I sit in my South African backwater of a study, I see two Ruby
>> books, plus a PDF or two. In my work environment, most people have
>> heard of Ruby and Rails. Most view Rails with a certain scepticism,
>> especially given that we do most of our work in Java. Looking at the
>> scary complexity of many of the apps we produce for our customers, I
>> can see why Rails, with it's "constraints are good" philosophy, may
>> not be the best framework for every Web app. I must admit that I
>> haven't done much work in Rails, but for me Ruby itself is a
>> beautiful, elegant language that is a joy to program in.
>
> Wow, I have searched this backwater as best as I could to find other
> Ruby programmers here! I also search every bookstore I go into for
> Ruby books - where did you get them? I have many, but all ordered from
> overseas.
>
> Would you agree with the idea that Ruby/Rails on your CV might be
> better than ASP.NET (if you already have C# there) - in South Africa?
>
> Also, where do you work? Guruhut.com doesn't resolve to a www server
> right now...

Try here, as a guess:

http://www.guruhut.co.za/

Best,
James

the better is rubby that asp.net

···

2006/11/11, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com>:

On 11 Nov 2006, at 00:54, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

> On 11/10/06, Nithia Govender <nithiaji@guruhut.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10 Nov 2006, at 14:23, Leslie Viljoen wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I think so, although in the backwater of South Africa, very few
>> people
>> > have ever heard of Ruby or Rails! I have yet to see a single
>> book here
>> > on either subject.
>>
>> All I can say is that you're not looking at my bookshelf :slight_smile: From
>> where I sit in my South African backwater of a study, I see two Ruby
>> books, plus a PDF or two. In my work environment, most people have
>> heard of Ruby and Rails. Most view Rails with a certain scepticism,
>> especially given that we do most of our work in Java. Looking at the
>> scary complexity of many of the apps we produce for our customers, I
>> can see why Rails, with it's "constraints are good" philosophy, may
>> not be the best framework for every Web app. I must admit that I
>> haven't done much work in Rails, but for me Ruby itself is a
>> beautiful, elegant language that is a joy to program in.
>
> Wow, I have searched this backwater as best as I could to find other
> Ruby programmers here! I also search every bookstore I go into for
> Ruby books - where did you get them? I have many, but all ordered from
> overseas.
>
> Would you agree with the idea that Ruby/Rails on your CV might be
> better than ASP.NET (if you already have C# there) - in South Africa?
>
> Also, where do you work? Guruhut.com doesn't resolve to a www server
> right now...
>

I'm mostly a Java programmer (yes, I know, the Dark Side :), but I
have enjoyed Ruby since I first discovered it a few years ago. I
would think that Ruby/Rails on your CV (if you already have C#) would
be a good thing. It's bound to get going here eventually, even though
the larger South African corporations all seem to have sold their
souls to either Microsoft or IBM.

As for books, I almost always order programming books from Amazon or
the like. Bookstore here seem incapable of carrying anything more
substantial than "The Dummies Guide to X", "Teach Yourself Y in 21
Days" and an infinite number of titles having something to do with MS
Office. And don't get me started on the insane markups on technical
books. A book that costs $30 on Amazon is likely to set you back R500
or so in a local bookstore. Even assuming an exchange rate of R8 to
the dollar, that's still twice what you should be paying.

Sorry about the Web site issue. We're busy moving servers, so the DNS
entries may be still a little messed up. www.guruhut.co.za should
resolve correctly.

Later
N

juan pedro meriño wrote:

hi
how i create a game a ruby?
what's your msn?

No thread hijacking.

Also, that's a very general question, what details of "creating a game"
you don't know to handle in Ruby?

Please start a -new- thread with those.

David Vallner