# Political thought - Leader on the threat from the illiberal left - Don’t underestimate the danger of left-leaning identity politics **URL:** \ **Category:** ruby-talk\ **Created:** [1 October 2021 08:21 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583 "2021-10-01T08:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 08:21 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/1 "2021-10-01T08:21:19Z")
Hello,      It looks like "behind the backdoors" without any discussion on this very ruby-talk list some self-appointed illiberal lefties try to bring (force onto you, really) their politics.    Anyways, I live in Austria - next door to former communist countries (and, yes, I am old enough to remember and study history - reading books and such).   Anyways, just let me (re)post and highlight the leader and warning from a world-class weekly newsmagazine titled Political thought - Leader The threat from the illiberal left - Don’t underestimate the danger of left-leaning identity politics [1]   If you are too lazy to read - the conclusion - If you cherish your freedom in a liberal democracy - sorry to say - it is time for you to speak up (and, yes, learn about history).    Cheers. Prost. [1] [The threat from the illiberal left | The Economist](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/09/04/the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left) ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 08:51 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/2 "2021-10-01T08:51:17Z")
Hello,   Just to clarify    I am a long-time member of the ruby community    and I strongly oppose       forcing the politics of a minority onto us.    I dare you to discuss and debate    that your illiberal (mostly american-style)     identity non-sense has the support of the ruby community     and not just the extreme ultra left-wing faction.   And for sure if you do NOT care about democratic process    I dare you to discuss and debate     that your arguments and reasoning make sense.    Let's start with Voltaire. Anyone, remember     what Voltaire was fighting for?    Cheers. Prost. ---
**Author:** ![Xavier\_Noria](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/xavier_noria/32/1867_2.png) [@Xavier\_Noria](https://rubytalk.org/u/Xavier_Noria)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 08:57 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/3 "2021-10-01T08:57:00Z")
El dv, 1 oct 2021 a les 10:22 Gerald Bauer \ va escriure:      It looks like "behind the backdoors" without any discussion on > this very ruby-talk list some self-appointed illiberal lefties try to > bring (force onto you, really) This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic. > **···** > > > ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:06 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/4 "2021-10-01T09:06:42Z")
Hello, > This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic.    This is the discussion list of the ruby community and the thread is on topic due to "backdoor dealings" of illiberal (ultra) lefties. The legitimation and reasoning is up for discussion and debate.    May I come to Voltaire again. Guess, what Voltaire was fighting for? ---
**Author:** ![Xavier\_Noria](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/xavier_noria/32/1867_2.png) [@Xavier\_Noria](https://rubytalk.org/u/Xavier_Noria)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:18 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/5 "2021-10-01T09:18:16Z")
Hello, > \> This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic. > >    This is the discussion list of the ruby community No, you discuss your topics of interest, political thoughts, or fine cuisine, with the Ruby community in conference halls. This is a mailing list specifically to discuss about Ruby, the programming language. Please, stay on topic. > **···** > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:07 AM Gerald Bauer \ wrote: ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_S.r.l](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/aurora_s.r.l/32/2415_2.png) [@Aurora\_S.r.l](https://rubytalk.org/u/Aurora_S.r.l)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:25 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/6 "2021-10-01T09:25:25Z")
I think you could open a PR on github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org to discuss about ruby lang ruling like another guy just did: > > > My rationale for these changes are documented on Twitter: > https://twitter.com/J…akeHerrington/status/1443286841533374469 Talking about that straight into the mailing list is a bit spammy > **···** > > -- > > Maurizio De Santis > > Il giorno ven 1 ott 2021 alle ore 11:19 Xavier Noria \ ha scritto: > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:07 AM Gerald Bauer \ \> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > \> This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic. > > > > > >    This is the discussion list of the ruby community > > > > No, you discuss your topics of interest, political thoughts, or fine > > cuisine, with the Ruby community in conference halls. > > > > This is a mailing list specifically to discuss about Ruby, the programming > > language. > > > > Please, stay on topic. > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:25 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/7 "2021-10-01T09:25:30Z")
Hello,    This is the SECOND time in public (I have got no private email) to tell me to shut up. SHAME ON YOU!    May I repost the part that you left out from your selective quote .. the thread is on topic due to "backdoor dealings" of illiberal (ultra) lefties. The legitimation and reasoning is up for discussion and debate.    May I come to Voltaire again. Guess, what Voltaire was fighting for? > **···** > > from my response: ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:30 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/8 "2021-10-01T09:30:43Z")
> Talking about that straight into the mailing list is a bit spammy   Are you sure your response is on topic? And to use your self-serving lingo - "a bit spammy". What again was your reason for talking straight into the mailing list?   PS: May I come to Voltaire again. Guess, what Voltaire was fighting for? ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_S.r.l](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/aurora_s.r.l/32/2415_2.png) [@Aurora\_S.r.l](https://rubytalk.org/u/Aurora_S.r.l)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:37 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/9 "2021-10-01T09:37:55Z")
No I don't think my response was on topic, I made an exception in order to try to be useful. This is another exception to answer your concerns, I'll probably stop here with exceptions. I'm sorry if I used words in a bad way, I'm not a good english speaker. I don't know much about Voltaire. > **···** > > -- > > Maurizio De Santis > > Il giorno ven 1 ott 2021 alle ore 11:31 Gerald Bauer \ ha scritto: > > > \> Talking about that straight into the mailing list is a bit spammy > > > >   Are you sure your response is on topic? And to use your self-serving > > lingo - "a bit spammy". What again was your reason for talking > > straight into the mailing list? > > > >   PS: May I come to Voltaire again. Guess, what Voltaire was fighting for? > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Gregory\_Cohen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gregory_cohen/32/2986_2.png) [@Gregory\_Cohen](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gregory_Cohen)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:45 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/10 "2021-10-01T09:45:13Z")
This stuff is wonderful. I have been struggling to find right-wing thinking programmers. I have created 57 freedom oriented programs, including a web browser based on Chrome but better, and a programming language that converts into C++ and looks like Ruby and Python. Most of these programs are written in Ruby and Crystal. It seems that almost all programmers are very left wing, dangerously so. I live in Ottawa. Could anyone find me high quality peers? Best regards, Gregory David Evan Cohen gregorycohen2@gmail.com is my email > **···** > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 4:51 AM Gerald Bauer \ wrote: > > > Hello, > > > >   Just to clarify > >    I am a long-time member of the ruby community > >    and I strongly oppose > >       forcing the politics of a minority onto us. > > > >    I dare you to discuss and debate > >    that your illiberal (mostly american-style) > >     identity non-sense has the support of the ruby community > >     and not just the extreme ultra left-wing faction. > > > >   And for sure if you do NOT care about democratic process > >    I dare you to discuss and debate > >     that your arguments and reasoning make sense. > > > >    Let's start with Voltaire. Anyone, remember > >     what Voltaire was fighting for? > > > >    Cheers. Prost. > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Xavier\_Noria](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/xavier_noria/32/1867_2.png) [@Xavier\_Noria](https://rubytalk.org/u/Xavier_Noria)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:46 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/11 "2021-10-01T09:46:03Z")
Hello, >    This is the SECOND time in public (I have got no private email) > to tell me to shut up. SHAME ON YOU! I am not tell you that. I am asking you to \*please\* stay on topic. You can talk Ruby as much as you want. And I am saying so in the name of the ML etiquette, which is standard etiquette in technical forums. And because subscribers here expect that etiquette, and when an email enters our mailboxes it has to be technical. This is my last reply to this thread. Xavier PD: And yes, moderation is part of the etiquette too. > **···** > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gerald Bauer \ wrote: ---
**Author:** ![Gregory\_Cohen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gregory_cohen/32/2986_2.png) [@Gregory\_Cohen](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gregory_Cohen)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:47 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/12 "2021-10-01T09:47:37Z")
The use of Javascript and Ruby to help people to improve civil discourse (e.g., in comment sections) would be incredible. ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:47 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/13 "2021-10-01T09:47:57Z")
Hello, > [https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690) Let's highlight some illiberal (ultra) leftie insanity: > I suggest we also remove this point from the conduct guidelines: > > \* Participants will be tolerant of opposing views.   Reactions: All Hearts (5)! Next up: > I wholeheartedly approve [...] anyone willing to educate themselves > could learn without me having to repeat them. [Read ...]   Pointing to an Thoughtbot article by Amanda Beiner titled Beyond Best Intentions.   No offense to Amanda Beiner or Thoughtbot.     Maybe Voltaire is a little bit more qualified    to comment and write on how to bring peace and harmony to the world.    May I ask again what Voltaire was fighting for? ---
**Author:** ![jacobherrington](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/jacobherrington/32/2558_2.png) [@jacobherrington](https://rubytalk.org/u/jacobherrington)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:59 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/14 "2021-10-01T09:59:27Z")
Gerald, I opened 2960. The person you're quoting to make a point was trolling me. I was polite in an attempt to disarm them and encouraged them to open an issue if they wanted to weigh in on Ruby community guidelines. That comment is someone making fun of me; it wasn't a serious suggestion. Sorry if you disagree with my PR, I'd encourage you to open an issue or PR with your thoughts so folks can discuss. Personally, I'd prefer we talk about Ruby and Ruby-related topics. Thanks. > **···** > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 04:48 Gerald Bauer \ wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > \> [https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690](https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690) > > > > Let's highlight some illiberal (ultra) leftie insanity: > > > > \> I suggest we also remove this point from the conduct guidelines: > > \> > > \> \* Participants will be tolerant of opposing views. > > > >   Reactions: All Hearts (5)! Next up: > > > > \> I wholeheartedly approve [...] anyone willing to educate themselves > > \> could learn without me having to repeat them. [Read ...] > > > >   Pointing to an Thoughtbot article by Amanda Beiner titled Beyond > > Best Intentions. > > > >   No offense to Amanda Beiner or Thoughtbot. > >     Maybe Voltaire is a little bit more qualified > >    to comment and write on how to bring peace and harmony to the world. > > > >    May I ask again what Voltaire was fighting for? > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 09:59 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/15 "2021-10-01T09:59:54Z")
> This stuff is wonderful. I have been struggling to find right-wing thinking programmers.   Sorry to break the news. I am of the Erasmus (of Rotterdam) school. Look it up - Erasmus is a great role model. Anyways, left, right, center or reactionary or progressive? Erasmus was asked for or to declare himself catholic (papist) or protestant (non-papist) and Erasmus was a free thinker making up his own mind.    Sorry for the long story - for sure I am just a humble nobody - the point in the last elections in Austria I voted green or socialist a far stretch for you right-wing thinking programmer.    I think the consensus is that the label for this identity politics righteous freaks taking it to far is ultra or extreme illiberal leftist. ---
**Author:** ![Gregory\_Cohen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gregory_cohen/32/2986_2.png) [@Gregory\_Cohen](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gregory_Cohen)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 10:05 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/16 "2021-10-01T10:05:35Z")
(Taken from a different thread here) ... This stuff is wonderful. I have been struggling to find right-wing thinking programmers. I have created 57 freedom oriented programs, including a web browser based on Chrome but better, and a programming language that converts into C++ and looks like Ruby and Python. Most of these programs are written in Ruby and Crystal. It seems that almost all programmers are very left wing, dangerously so. I live in Ottawa. Could anyone find me high quality peers? Best regards, Gregory David Evan Cohen gregorycohen2@gmail.com is my email > **···** > > --------------------------------- > > The use of Javascript (and possible Ruby) to create a Javascript > library (and perhaps a Chrome extension and perhaps a command line tool and > perhaps a GTK or QT program) that helps people (by using textboxes or > command line prompts) to create high quality communications, would be > wonderful. > > Think of how poor quality responses to communications can be. > > Even on here. > > If someone created one or more tools that could be easily added on web > pages, that would augment someone's life to help create goal and value > oriented responses (or original communications), then there is literally > nothing that couldn't solve. > > This might be the most useful library ever created. > > There could be a tool that would help with democracy. Human being + > augmentive tool = civil discourse, eventually resulting in liberty. > > This would enable democracy to work. > > Imagine if 50% of all websites used this library. > > This would help people to be goal or value oriented, and not be coming up > with terrible communications that, for example, insult people's mothers or > education. > > I have yet to make this program. My other programs are BSD licensed on my > server for people who know about my server. I made 61 YouTube videos of my > software before my old computer died ☹ > > I love Ruby > > Best regards, > > Gregory Cohen > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 6:00 AM Gerald Bauer \ wrote: > > > \> This stuff is wonderful. I have been struggling to find right-wing > > thinking programmers. > > > >   Sorry to break the news. I am of the Erasmus (of Rotterdam) school. > > Look it up - Erasmus is a great role model. Anyways, left, right, > > center or reactionary or progressive? Erasmus was asked for or to > > declare himself catholic (papist) or protestant (non-papist) and > > Erasmus was a free thinker making up his own mind. > > > >    Sorry for the long story - for sure I am just a humble nobody - the > > point in the last elections in Austria I voted green or socialist a > > far stretch for you right-wing thinking programmer. > > > >    I think the consensus is that the label for this identity politics > > righteous freaks taking it to far is ultra or extreme illiberal > > leftist. > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_Bauer1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/gerald_bauer1/32/1852_2.png) [@Gerald\_Bauer1](https://rubytalk.org/u/Gerald_Bauer1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 10:36 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/17 "2021-10-01T10:36:02Z")
Hello, > The person you're quoting to make a point was trolling me. Thanks for pointing out .I hope you see even what you label trolls can make a great point and reveal your hypocrisy, eh?   Anyways a debate by definition will not lead to the absolute ultimate truth and conclusion .. such is the state of politics and humanity.    Anyways, if you search the internets for "what was Voltaire fighting for?" you get... Voltaire believed above all in the efficacy of reason. He believed social progress could be achieved through reason and that no authority - religious or political or otherwise - should be immune to challenge by reason. He emphasized in his work the importance of tolerance   Not so bad. So fire breathing wizards are no longer tolerated / welcome - who's next on the list? If you want to live together in peace and harmony Voltaire suggests maybe try (more) tolerance and yes, dare to challenge / debate authority (even the ultra / extreme righteous illiberal lefties that tell you to shut up in so many ways while always confirming - no, no, no - I am not telling to shut up). ---
**Author:** ![Frederico\_de\_Oliveir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e19adc/32.png) [@Frederico\_de\_Oliveir](https://rubytalk.org/u/Frederico_de_Oliveir)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 16:08 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/18 "2021-10-01T16:08:19Z")
Two days of a meltdown about identity politics caused by a harmless joke: on-topic. A comment about Voltaire and freedom of expression: off-topic. The level of cynicism in this mailing list is remarkable. I am done with this list; my life is stressful enough. So where can I talk about Ruby with decent people? If you know about a better mailing list, or maybe a forum, group in a social media, etc... please send me a private e-mail. I will be unsubscribing soon. > **···** > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > De: ruby-talk \ em nome de Xavier Noria \ > Enviado: sexta-feira, 1 de outubro de 2021 06:18 > Para: Ruby users \ > Assunto: Re: Political thought - Leader on the threat from the illiberal left - Don’t underestimate the danger of left-leaning identity politics > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:07 AM Gerald Bauer \\> wrote: > > Hello, > > > This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic. > >    This is the discussion list of the ruby community > > No, you discuss your topics of interest, political thoughts, or fine cuisine, with the Ruby community in conference halls. > > This is a mailing list specifically to discuss about Ruby, the programming language. > > Please, stay on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Ismail\_Arilik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/ismail_arilik/32/2091_2.png) [@Ismail\_Arilik](https://rubytalk.org/u/Ismail_Arilik)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 16:21 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/19 "2021-10-01T16:21:47Z")
Current shortcomings of Ruby:    1. A better-designed website (I expressed my concern somewhere else,    too, but I don't know the \*how\* but it's obvious that even raw Bootstrap    looks better though)    2. A self-moderated and modern discussion platform (Discourse might be,    I have some background about installing and managing it so I can help) Frederico de Oliveira Linhares \, 1 Eki 2021 Cum, 19:08 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > **···** > > > Two days of a meltdown about identity politics caused by a harmless joke: > > on-topic. > > A comment about Voltaire and freedom of expression: off-topic. > > The level of cynicism in this mailing list is remarkable. > > > > I am done with this list; my life is stressful enough. So where can I talk > > about Ruby with decent people? > > If you know about a better mailing list, or maybe a forum, group in a > > social media, etc... please send me a private e-mail. I will be > > unsubscribing soon. > > > > ------------------------------ > > \*De:\* ruby-talk \ em nome de Xavier Noria > > \ > > \*Enviado:\* sexta-feira, 1 de outubro de 2021 06:18 > > \*Para:\* Ruby users \ > > \*Assunto:\* Re: Political thought - Leader on the threat from the > > illiberal left - Don’t underestimate the danger of left-leaning identity > > politics > > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:07 AM Gerald Bauer \ \> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > \> This is a technical mailing list. Please, stay on topic. > > > >    This is the discussion list of the ruby community > > > > No, you discuss your topics of interest, political thoughts, or fine > > cuisine, with the Ruby community in conference halls. > > > > This is a mailing list specifically to discuss about Ruby, the programming > > language. > > > > Please, stay on topic. > > > > Unsubscribe: \ > > \<[http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>](http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-talk>); ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Felipe\_Wolfe](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/rubytalk.org/sean_felipe_wolfe/32/1952_2.png) [@Sean\_Felipe\_Wolfe](https://rubytalk.org/u/Sean_Felipe_Wolfe)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2021 16:24 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583/20 "2021-10-01T16:24:27Z")
Hello ! Speaking for myself, I tend to just ignore / mute the off-topic conversations. Easier to not engage. But, it does give the impression perhaps that people don't care. I continue to love the Ruby language and the community in general. There will always be people wanting to get into a dustup and those people tend to have plenty of energy. Meanwhile others just have things to do 😛 #minaswan FTW !! > **···** > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 12:08 PM Frederico de Oliveira Linhares \< fredlinhares@hotmail.com.br\> wrote: > > > Two days of a meltdown about identity politics caused by a harmless joke: > > on-topic. > > A comment about Voltaire and freedom of expression: off-topic. > > The level of cynicism in this mailing list is remarkable. > > > > I am done with this list; my life is stressful enough. So where can I talk > > about Ruby with decent people? > > If you know about a better mailing list, or maybe a forum, group in a > > social media, etc... please send me a private e-mail. I will be > > unsubscribing soon. [Next page](https://rubytalk.org/t/political-thought-leader-on-the-threat-from-the-illiberal-left-don-t-underestimate-the-danger-of-left-leaning-identity-politics/75583.md?page=2)