Chad Perrin wrote:
> . . . this has prompted me to take a second look at SBCL. Is it
> entirely backward-compatible? Does it provide the same additional
> functionality (debugger, et cetera)? How, technically, do CMUCL and
> SBCL differ, in general?
> I ask in case you have the answers off the top of your head. If not, no
> biggie -- I'm on my way to look up more information about SBCL so I can
> compare them now.
I'm not sure about compatibility. CMUCL is Carnegie-Mellon University
Common Lisp and SBCL is Steel Bank Common Lisp. Carnegie made his money
in steel and Mellon made his money in banking, you see ...
I was not aware of that connection for the name of SBCL. Wow, that's
CMUCL is kind of big and unwieldy and difficult to extend, so SBCL arose
to attempt to make things a little more "agile", if you will. For
example, there's probably no hope of a Windows port of CMUCL, but there
is one for SBCL.
Good to know. I'd love to see a lot more software with its "open
source" licensing more along the lines of MIT/BSD/public domain become
more popular on all platforms, rather than seeing proprietary and GPL
software getting all the publicity and hype all the time.
As far as application speed is concerned, it's sort of a horse race
between GCL and CMUCL. GCL wins some benchmarks, CMUCL wins some, and
some are too close to call. Clisp is probably the most portable of the
bunch -- it runs on nearly every UNIX and is installed with CygWin. I
think there is a native Windows port too.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that GNU CLISP runs in something
absurd like 16MB of RAM -- a simply astoundingly small amount of memory.
That's a pretty neat trick for an ANSI standard implementation of pretty
> Speaking of communities -- do you know of any mailing lists akin to
> ruby-talk, or open community websites akin to PerlMonks? What about
> beginner mailing lists? Extensive searching has turned up exactly one
> general-purpose Common Lisp mailing list thus far, and I don't know
> anything about the list yet beyond that.
Well ... I was on the CMUCL and SBCL developers' lists a while back, but
I don't think I've ever frequented a "Lisp Beginners" mailing list. I'd
start with "comp.lang.lisp" if you can stand the fact that most Lispniks
think there really isn't another real programming language.
I don't mind the attitude -- I can just mentally route around it (my
bio-neural network is a bit like the Internet that way). The problem I
have with that is that it's a newsgroup rather than a mailing list.
A) I have yet to meet a newsreader that doesn't drive me up the wall.
B) I don't need yet another "thing" to keep track of -- I'm trying to
consolidate all my daily online communications (IMs notwithstanding)
in email as much as possible so I don't have to make regular trips to
other applications to get caught up.
I believed that myself a long time ago, until I discovered nobody was
paying people to code in Lisp but Fortran and assembler would earn you a
Hey, that doesn't mean they're "real" programming languages. Heh.
I also think a PDF of most of the book "Practical Common Lisp" is on
line somewhere. I went and bought a hard copy anyway. It tells you how
to do 21st century stuff like web servers in Lisp.
Someone on this list privately and kindly emailed me with the URL for
that. I started reading the introduction this evening. I may well buy
the hardcopy myself, if I like it enough. I'm actually more likely to
purchase a technical book after I've already read it than before (take
note, Pragmatic Progammers: I'm your target market for stuff like the
Pickaxe Book's free-digital-and-paid-print versions). The same was true
of music, until I just started boycotting all RIAA labels entirely.
. . . but that's a story for another day (and mailing list).
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:01:14PM +0900, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
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