"Nice"


(Nitesh Kumar) #21

could you please remove my mail from this list?

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On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:24 PM leam hall <leamhall@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Andy Jones <Andy.Jones@jameshall.co.uk> > wrote:
>> I've felt some of the same hostility. Sometimes it seems like "Matz is
>> nice so we can be jerks [...]
>
> I suspect that part of the problem is, "nice" is nearly meaningless in
English. "Might I suggest that the world would greatly benefit if you
jumped off a cliff?" is, arguably, nice, because I'm being polite.
>
> I gather that the Japanese word that got translated to "nice" in "Matz
is nice..." has a more specific meaning.
>
> I'm one of those folks who would rather have a proper code of conduct,
with an explanation for how it would be enforced. But that ship has sailed
here for now, I seem to recall.

I suspect you are true on all counts. You have been polite, even when
my choices don't seem to make sense. You've helped me challenge my
assumptions. Thank you.

One of my concerns is about Ruby itself. The language is a great
general purpose tool and easy for people to learn. Yet the community
seems slanted towards ignoring or even pushing away new people.
There's probably no real way to enforce "don't be a jerk" on IRC as
it's real time and moderators are not always present. Not even sure
there's a way to do it on an e-mail list. The community quality is
impacted by our behavior. Some of that behaivor seems very negative.
If we discourage new Ruby-ists and watch currenty Ruby people move to
Go, Elixir, or whatever, we seem to be losing both quality and
quantity.

What can we do to bring that ship back to port and scrub off the
barnacles so she can sail futher and faster? Or has it sunk already?

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(Leam Hall) #22

Hello Nitesh,

If you look at the bottom of all the e-mails there is a way to unsubscribe. Just send an e-mail there, it will ask you to confirm, and you're done.

Leam

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On 08/04/2018 01:01 PM, Nitesh Kumar wrote:

could you please remove my mail from this list?

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(Leam Hall) #23

If anyone experiences issues on IRC in #ruby or #RubyOnRails related channels, my handle is baweaver. Ping me and they will be dealt with appropriately. I can't promise I'll always be online, but I'll always read what I'm sent.

Brandon, I ("leitz") have benefited from both your technical skill and friendly leadership. Thank you.

Now as far as being nice, the goal is to improve a little every day.

I'm absolutely perfect, as long as you ignore reality...

There's a secret to being an amazing programmer, and one that quite a few miss: people. How you interact, the connections you make, the problems and challenges you face and solve, all of it.

Being the most amazing Ruby programmer ever matters not one cent if you refuse to acknowledge the continual need for growth and networking.

John Sonmez "The Complete Software Developers Career Guide" echoes that. Competence is key, but you can do well with a mid-level of Competence if you work your best and market yourself well.

Not sure about the rest of you, but the more I learn the less I seem to know. Early on I had to get my wife used to the cost of computer books, that was key!

Leam

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(Walter Lee Davis) #24

Nobody but you can do that. Click the Unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each message sent by this listserv.

Walter

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On Aug 4, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Nitesh Kumar <nicsambition@gmail.com> wrote:

could you please remove my mail from this list?

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:24 PM leam hall <leamhall@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Andy Jones <Andy.Jones@jameshall.co.uk> wrote:
>> I've felt some of the same hostility. Sometimes it seems like "Matz is
>> nice so we can be jerks [...]
>
> I suspect that part of the problem is, "nice" is nearly meaningless in English. "Might I suggest that the world would greatly benefit if you jumped off a cliff?" is, arguably, nice, because I'm being polite.
>
> I gather that the Japanese word that got translated to "nice" in "Matz is nice..." has a more specific meaning.
>
> I'm one of those folks who would rather have a proper code of conduct, with an explanation for how it would be enforced. But that ship has sailed here for now, I seem to recall.

I suspect you are true on all counts. You have been polite, even when
my choices don't seem to make sense. You've helped me challenge my
assumptions. Thank you.

One of my concerns is about Ruby itself. The language is a great
general purpose tool and easy for people to learn. Yet the community
seems slanted towards ignoring or even pushing away new people.
There's probably no real way to enforce "don't be a jerk" on IRC as
it's real time and moderators are not always present. Not even sure
there's a way to do it on an e-mail list. The community quality is
impacted by our behavior. Some of that behaivor seems very negative.
If we discourage new Ruby-ists and watch currenty Ruby people move to
Go, Elixir, or whatever, we seem to be losing both quality and
quantity.

What can we do to bring that ship back to port and scrub off the
barnacles so she can sail futher and faster? Or has it sunk already?

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