could you please remove my mail from this list?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:24 PM leam hall <email@example.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Andy Jones <Andy.Jones@jameshall.co.uk> > wrote:
>> I've felt some of the same hostility. Sometimes it seems like "Matz is
>> nice so we can be jerks [...]
> I suspect that part of the problem is, "nice" is nearly meaningless in
English. "Might I suggest that the world would greatly benefit if you
jumped off a cliff?" is, arguably, nice, because I'm being polite.
> I gather that the Japanese word that got translated to "nice" in "Matz
is nice..." has a more specific meaning.
> I'm one of those folks who would rather have a proper code of conduct,
with an explanation for how it would be enforced. But that ship has sailed
here for now, I seem to recall.
I suspect you are true on all counts. You have been polite, even when
my choices don't seem to make sense. You've helped me challenge my
assumptions. Thank you.
One of my concerns is about Ruby itself. The language is a great
general purpose tool and easy for people to learn. Yet the community
seems slanted towards ignoring or even pushing away new people.
There's probably no real way to enforce "don't be a jerk" on IRC as
it's real time and moderators are not always present. Not even sure
there's a way to do it on an e-mail list. The community quality is
impacted by our behavior. Some of that behaivor seems very negative.
If we discourage new Ruby-ists and watch currenty Ruby people move to
Go, Elixir, or whatever, we seem to be losing both quality and
What can we do to bring that ship back to port and scrub off the
barnacles so she can sail futher and faster? Or has it sunk already?