# Hot new programming languages - according to the TIOBE index **URL:** \ **Category:** ruby-talk\ **Created:** [30 September 2006 15:33 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490 "2006-09-30T15:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![David\_Vallner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@David\_Vallner](https://rubytalk.org/u/David_Vallner)\ **Post date:** [30 September 2006 15:33 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/1 "2006-09-30T15:33:02Z")
vasudevram wrote: > Interesting post by voidspace. > > Ruby and Python are doing well, according to the latest TIOBE index. TIOBE == bull... The way the TPC index is calculated is good for about a laugh, followed by pointing and laughing at people that take it any seriously. David Vallner PS: What's the point to linking to your livejournal post where you say precisely the same as in the mailing list post? If -you- have anything interesting to say on your blog, then feel free to link to it, otherwise... ---
**Author:** ![vasudevram](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bbce88/32.png) [@vasudevram](https://rubytalk.org/u/vasudevram)\ **Post date:** [30 September 2006 18:20 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/2 "2006-09-30T18:20:09Z")
David Vallner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > vasudevram wrote: > \> Interesting post by voidspace. > \> > \> Ruby and Python are doing well, according to the latest TIOBE index. > \> > > TIOBE == bull... The way the TPC index is calculated is good for about a > laugh, followed by pointing and laughing at people that take it any > seriously. > > David Vallner > > PS: What's the point to linking to your livejournal post where you say > precisely the same as in the mailing list post? If -you- have anything > interesting to say on your blog, then feel free to link to it, otherwise... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - [http://enigmail.mozdev.org](http://enigmail.mozdev.org) > > iD8DBQFFHo4wy6MhrS8astoRAkPYAJ0bhASbb4O8EujxBx2YWA7lXB4HTgCeO6VT > fFIAht2jw1WUjdVc0iIwgIk= > =ZAKv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I think you're pretty laughable yourself. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Vallner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@David\_Vallner](https://rubytalk.org/u/David_Vallner)\ **Post date:** [30 September 2006 18:35 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/3 "2006-09-30T18:35:23Z")
vasudevram wrote: > I think you're pretty laughable yourself. Oh, I know and admit that. Doesn't make you less of a troll farming hits on his LJ that's, as far as I can see, devoid of any actual content whatsoever. Feel free to disprove me by providing any valuable input for a change. David Vallner ---
**Author:** ![Roseanne\_Zhang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@Roseanne\_Zhang](https://rubytalk.org/u/Roseanne_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [30 September 2006 22:38 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/4 "2006-09-30T22:38:01Z")
Take a look at this diagram in job market: > **[Java programmer, C++ programmer, python programmer, perl programmer, ruby...](https://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Java-programmer%2C+C%2B%2B--programmer%2C+python-programmer%2C+perl-programmer%2C+ruby-programmer%2C+php-programmer)** > > Research Java programmer, C++ programmer, python programmer, perl programmer, ruby programmer, and php programmer job trends and the demand for Java programmer, C++ programmer, python programmer, perl programmer, ruby programmer, and php... > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). ---
**Author:** ![M\_Edward\_Ed\_Borasky1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9c0ed/32.png) [@M\_Edward\_Ed\_Borasky1](https://rubytalk.org/u/M_Edward_Ed_Borasky1)\ **Post date:** [30 September 2006 23:48 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/5 "2006-09-30T23:48:25Z")
Roseanne Zhang wrote: > Take a look at this diagram in job market: > [http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Java-programmer%2C+C%2B%2B--programmer%2C+python-programmer%2C+perl-programmer%2C+ruby-programmer%2C+php-programmer](http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Java-programmer%2C+C%2B%2B--programmer%2C+python-programmer%2C+perl-programmer%2C+ruby-programmer%2C+php-programmer) I'm going to make a rather bold claim here. I will claim that the percentage breakdown of programming jobs by language is for all practical purposes equal to the percentage breakdown of lines of legacy code written in those languages that needs to be maintained. In short, it has nothing to do with the quality of the language, the suitability of the language for the software in question, whether the language is "powerful" or "hot" or "productive", or any factors dealing with the creation of \*new\* software. So all that chart says is that there are more lines of legacy Java code that needs to be maintained than there are lines of legacy C++ code, and more C++ code than the major scripting languages. I couldn't even find the Ruby line on the chart because of the color scheme, but I think most of us can count the major projects implemented in Ruby, including Rails, on one's fingers. The only thing that surprised me on that chart was that C++ was so much higher than PHP. I'm guessing that's because PHP was a late bloomer in the Microsoft world, while C++ was there almost from the beginning -- well before Java, in fact. There's a lot of legacy PHP code out there, though. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Vallner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@David\_Vallner](https://rubytalk.org/u/David_Vallner)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2006 00:10 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/6 "2006-10-01T00:10:33Z")
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > [snip trollfeed] \*facedesk\* Do Not Feed The Trolls. The nonsequitur reply to my (intentionally abusive) post to link to more equivalent nonsense was pretty obvious... David Vallner ---
**Author:** ![Roseanne\_Zhang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@Roseanne\_Zhang](https://rubytalk.org/u/Roseanne_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2006 01:11 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/7 "2006-10-01T01:11:38Z")
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I'm going to make a rather bold claim here. I will claim that the > percentage breakdown of programming jobs by language is for all > practical purposes equal to the percentage breakdown of lines of legacy > code written in those languages that needs to be maintained. In short, > it has nothing to do with the quality of the language, the suitability > of the language for the software in question, whether the language is > "powerful" or "hot" or "productive", or any factors dealing with the > creation of \*new\* software. Actually, those just a simple search criteria by me. I original put C, C++, Java, Ruby,.... C is extremely high, then I realized C was also an English letter. I added programmer to make the search more specific. Then C dropped down from C++. You can search whatever key word combination you like. I believe the indeed.com's searching criteria are simplely from job posts from Internet, that is all. It reflects more of past and current job market, not future ones... Thanks! > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C). ---
**Author:** ![Roseanne\_Zhang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@Roseanne\_Zhang](https://rubytalk.org/u/Roseanne_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2006 01:25 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/8 "2006-10-01T01:25:47Z")
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I'm going to make a rather bold claim here. I will claim that the > percentage breakdown of programming jobs by language is for all > practical purposes equal to the percentage breakdown of lines of legacy > code written in those languages that needs to be maintained. In short, > it has nothing to do with the quality of the language, the suitability > of the language for the software in question, whether the language is > "powerful" or "hot" or "productive", or any factors dealing with the > creation of \*new\* software. Haha, I added cobol for the legacy purpose: [http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Java-programmer%2C+C%2B%2B--programmer%2C+cobol-programmer%2C+PHP-Programmer%2C+C-programmer](http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Java-programmer%2C+C%2B%2B--programmer%2C+cobol-programmer%2C+PHP-Programmer%2C+C-programmer) > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C). ---
**Author:** ![M\_Edward\_Ed\_Borasky1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9c0ed/32.png) [@M\_Edward\_Ed\_Borasky1](https://rubytalk.org/u/M_Edward_Ed_Borasky1)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2006 00:56 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/9 "2006-10-01T00:56:48Z")
David Vallner wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > > [snip trollfeed] > > \*facedesk\* > > Do Not Feed The Trolls. The nonsequitur reply to my (intentionally > abusive) post to link to more equivalent nonsense was pretty obvious... > > David Vallner Nothing is obvious to me any more. I'd rather feed a troll than spend my days up to my behind in cabbage because nobody else will eat it. 🙂 But seriously, folks -- the bulk of programmers I know, myself included, program for three reasons: because we love doing it, because we are good at it, and because we get paid. And one gets paid by doing what people pay to have done. ---
**Author:** ![Roseanne\_Zhang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@Roseanne\_Zhang](https://rubytalk.org/u/Roseanne_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [1 October 2006 03:06 UTC](https://rubytalk.org/t/hot-new-programming-languages-according-to-the-tiobe-index/31490/10 "2006-10-01T03:06:23Z")
David Vallner wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > > [snip trollfeed] > > \*facedesk\* > > Do Not Feed The Trolls. The nonsequitur reply to my (intentionally > abusive) post to link to more equivalent nonsense was pretty obvious... > > David Vallner Now, you can see the consistency of indeed with tiobe results Search Ruby programmer only in indeed.com [http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=ruby+programmer](http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=ruby+programmer) Take a look at the exciting curve!!!!!! > **···** > > -- > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/\](http://www.ruby-forum.com/%5C).