Hello

ruby-talk
21

I have try that and ruby 1.9.2 Page 180 I have interactive ruby, ruby gems documentation server, start command prompt with ruby. now with free ride for ruby I have a porgram free ride. what else do I need?
James Nathan

···

--- On Mon, 4/11/11, jake kaiden <jakekaiden@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jake kaiden <jakekaiden@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 5:50 PM

James Nathan wrote in post #992175:

is there a disk that we can seen off and use. so that we can all the
parts of ruby and ruby on rails. I would like this disk.
James Nathan

i don't know of any disk, but maybe some of this will help...

these two are the ruby and rails base class api's, which will give you
information on the built in classes and how to use them:
ruby-doc.org/core/
api.rubyonrails.org/

the "pragmatic guide" is also very good, and has examples and
tutorials:
http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/

this is also a decent introduction tutorial:

and, of course - there is my personal favorite, the "poignant-guide":
http://www.thinkingaloud.net/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby/

-j

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.

22

I have done this now what about the program free ride for ruby?
James Nathan

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--- On Fri, 4/8/11, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:

From: James <oscartheduck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Cc: "James Nathan" <badlands_2004@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 2:00 PM

That should tell you whether you have gem installed so that you can access
it from cmd; if you do, great! Try typing:

gem install rails

at the cmd prompt and report back on what happens. If you don't, follow the
suggestions from Phillip to get yourself up and running with a copy of ruby.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com>wrote:

I will try this thanks

--- On Thu, 4/7/11, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:

From: James <oscartheduck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>, badlands_2004@yahoo.com
Cc: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 8:39 PM

Open your cmd.exe and type in "where gem". You should get an output similar
to:

C:\Users\jamandbees>where gem
C:\Ruby191\bin\gem
C:\Ruby191\bin\gem.bat

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com > >wrote:

> I am using Windows 7 Professional and I think I have but I am not sure. I
> have book by Peter Cooper Beginning Ruby. and had this about two years.
> James Nathan
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/7/11, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: James <oscartheduck@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
> Cc: "James Nathan" <badlands_2004@yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:56 PM
>
>
> No one is willing to help? That doesn't sound like the ruby on rails
> community; I always found those guys awesome.
>
> What's the problem you're having? Have you installed Ruby correctly? What
> OS are you on?
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:29 PM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com< > http://mc/compose?to=badlands_2004@yahoo.com&gt; > > > wrote:
>
> I am having a hard time to get it up and running. that is Ruby and Ruby
on
> Rails. it seems that no one is willing to help so that we can enjoy this
> porgram. If their anyway that I can get it downloaded to me, some help to
> make sure that have the right porgrams.
> James Nathan
>
> --- On Wed, 4/6/11, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com< > http://mc/compose?to=badlands_2004@yahoo.com&gt;&gt; > > wrote:
>
> From: James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com<
http://mc/compose?to=badlands_2004@yahoo.com&gt;
> >
> Subject: Re: Hello
> To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org<
http://mc/compose?to=ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org&gt;
> >
> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:53 PM
>
> hello I am trying to get it stated myself, but I am not sure if I am
> setting Ruby up right.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/6/11, Moises Montenegro <moemonty@gmail.com< > http://mc/compose?to=moemonty@gmail.com&gt;&gt; > > wrote:
>
> From: Moises Montenegro <moemonty@gmail.com<
http://mc/compose?to=moemonty@gmail.com&gt;
> >
> Subject: Hello
> To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org<
http://mc/compose?to=ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org&gt;
> >
> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 4:09 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the Ruby community, but I am very adamant about joining.
> I apologize for the inital #help command that was incorrectly sent here.
>
> I'm a full-time web developer in Chicago.
>
> I hope to contribute in the future.
>
> Thanks,
> Moises Montenegro
>
>
>

23

That's almost enough to do Ruby programming with. I doubt very much that FreeRIDE will work with Ruby 1.9.2, though, because, as I mentioned in an earlier message, work on it apparently stopped in 2006. But maybe it will work. As I also mentioned in that earlier message, if FreeRIDE doesn't work for you, then you need a text editor. I suggest you do some projects in Ruby first, before trying Rails.

-- vincent

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On 2011-04-11, at 17:37, James Nathan wrote:

I have try that and ruby 1.9.2 Page 180 I have interactive ruby, ruby gems documentation server, start command prompt with ruby. now with free ride for ruby I have a porgram free ride. what else do I need?
James Nathan

24

I will just give up on Ruby and Ruby on Rails for now
James Nathan

···

--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

From: Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 5:55 PM

On 2011-04-11, at 16:50, jake kaiden wrote:

these two are the ruby and rails base class api's, which will give you
information on the built in classes and how to use them:
ruby-doc.org/core/
api.rubyonrails.org/

the "pragmatic guide" is also very good, and has examples and
tutorials:
http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/

this is also a decent introduction tutorial:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/ruby/basictutorial.htm

and, of course - there is my personal favorite, the "poignant-guide":
http://www.thinkingaloud.net/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby/

These are all excellent books, and for those who really want to grok Ruby, the Poignant Guide is excellent. But for somebody who is brand new to Ruby, and to programming in general, I'd still recommend Ullman's Ruby: Visual Quickstart Guide as a really good place to start. It does things like walking you through installing Ruby, for example.

-- vincent

25

No, I will try another program to learn to write a program. Ruby is just to hard to download, and to work with. thanks for all your help and understanding.
James Nathan

···

--- On Mon, 4/11/11, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 10:18 PM

I will just give up on Ruby and Ruby on Rails for now
James Nathan

--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

From: Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 5:55 PM

On 2011-04-11, at 16:50, jake kaiden wrote:

these two are the ruby and rails base class api's, which will give you
information on the built in classes and how to use them:
ruby-doc.org/core/
api.rubyonrails.org/

the "pragmatic guide" is also very good, and has examples and
tutorials:
Programming Ruby: The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide

this is also a decent introduction tutorial:
Ruby Basic Tutorial

and, of course - there is my personal favorite, the "poignant-guide":
http://www.thinkingaloud.net/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby/

These are all excellent books, and for those who really want to grok Ruby, the Poignant Guide is excellent. But for somebody who is brand new to Ruby, and to programming in general, I'd still recommend Ullman's Ruby: Visual Quickstart Guide as a really good place to start. It does things like walking you through installing Ruby, for example.

-- vincent

26

To put it bluntly: All easy(-ish) to use and learn scripting languages
follow the same path: download, install, use editor to write software.

Java, .NET, and C/++ are much more difficult for a newby to software
development to get running (assuming that you mostly use a computer to
get stuff done, and don't have much of a technical background).

With Ruby installed, all you need is a text editor to write your code
in, or an IDE (which presents its own learning curve, but can pay off
in the long run).

Anyway, how, in your opinion, can we make it easier for you to get
started? IOW, what do you expect to have, when you download a Ruby
installer?

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

No, I will try another program to learn to write a program. Ruby is just to hard to download, and to work with.
thanks for all your help and understanding.
James Nathan

--
Phillip Gawlowski

Though the folk I have met,
(Ah, how soon!) they forget
When I've moved on to some other place,
There may be one or two,
When I've played and passed through,
Who'll remember my song or my face.

27

Before you give up, checkout
http://tryruby.org
It let's you try out ruby in your web browser (firefox works the best right
now).
iPad support, safari, chrome, opera support is coming soon :-).

Respectfully,
Andrew McElroy
http://tryruby.org

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:27 AM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com>wrote:

No, I will try another program to learn to write a program. Ruby is just to
hard to download, and to work with. thanks for all your help and
understanding.
James Nathan

28

No, I will try another program to learn to write a program. Ruby is just to hard to download, and to work with.
thanks for all your help and understanding.
James Nathan

Anyway, how, in your opinion, can we make it easier for you to get
started? IOW, what do you expect to have, when you download a Ruby
installer?

I'm sorry we weren't able to give you what you needed, James. I do wish you luck in learning about programming.

This does bring up an issue. I would like to see www.ruby-lang.org have a page `Totally new to programming', with appropriate resources; this page would be prominently linked to on the front page.
It would have a paragraph or so on what Ruby is, along with what the installers do, along with a few resources that would help a total beginner get started. I can visualize many interactions like this.

  B: Try Ruby, it's a great way of getting started.
  B: Well, go to www.ruby-lang.org, and they have all the information you need.

Unfortunately, that isn't really good enough for somebody who has no framework to see what all the various pieces are. So one page that says `here's what Ruby is, here's what an installer is, here's how you get Ruby running on your computer, and here's what you should read to get started with Ruby' would be a tremendous resource for beginners. I'm not claiming that the information isn't out there, just that it isn't in a form that a true beginner can use.

When I used to do software engineering training for a company I used to work for, one of the more popular courses I ran was called `Programming for Non-Programmers', aimed at giving people exactly that framework. A lot of beginners get stuck there, and can't easily move forward without a bit of help.

-- vincent

···

On 2011-04-12, at 07:29, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, James Nathan <badlands_2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

  A: You're a programmer, can you tell me how I can learn programming?
  A: What do I do?

29

He does raise a good point - it would be nice to have a classic 3 pane
IDE (files, program text, output window) that bundled a copy of ruby
in an all-in-one installer, so that you just launched it, typed in
some code, ran it, and saved it when you were happy with it. It
needn't be very powerful in the grand scheme of things, just trivial
to install and run "hello world" from.

martin

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Anyway, how, in your opinion, can we make it easier for you to get
started? IOW, what do you expect to have, when you download a Ruby
installer?

30

Are you working with Windows?

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···

On Dienstag, 12. April 2011 at 18:11, Martin DeMello wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Phillip Gawlowski > <cmdjackryan@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, how, in your opinion, can we make it easier for you to get
> started? IOW, what do you expect to have, when you download a Ruby
> installer?

He does raise a good point - it would be nice to have a classic 3 pane
IDE (files, program text, output window) that bundled a copy of ruby
in an all-in-one installer, so that you just launched it, typed in
some code, ran it, and saved it when you were happy with it. It
needn't be very powerful in the grand scheme of things, just trivial
to install and run "hello world" from.

martin

31

So, a package like NetBeans 6.9, then, which includes an IDE (I don't
think that a total newby to programming should have to deal with a
full fledged IDE, though, considering the mental overhead *that*
introduces), and a JRuby runtime, all in one installer.

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com> wrote:

He does raise a good point - it would be nice to have a classic 3 pane
IDE (files, program text, output window) that bundled a copy of ruby
in an all-in-one installer, so that you just launched it, typed in
some code, ran it, and saved it when you were happy with it. It
needn't be very powerful in the grand scheme of things, just trivial
to install and run "hello world" from.

--
Phillip Gawlowski

Though the folk I have met,
(Ah, how soon!) they forget
When I've moved on to some other place,
There may be one or two,
When I've played and passed through,
Who'll remember my song or my face.

32

Yep, though NetBeans is way overkill for the task. Something small and
ruby-focused would be ideal (though since the OP asked for rails as
well, maybe NetBeans or Eclipse with a few ruby and rails plugins
really would be the better way to go). Here's the sort of feature list
I have in mind:

1. A metainstaller that installs ruby (I'm thinking RVM on linux and
the one-click installer on windows) and the IDE
2. The IDE will be preconfigured with the ruby and gem paths that the
installer installs into
3. A GUI for the common gem commands (install/uninstall/list
installed/search remote)
4. A "run" button, with output pane.
5. A file pane listing the contents of the current working directory
(so that the user can see what 'require_relative' can access)
6. A plugin architecture that allows frameworks like rails to supply
plugins that
6a. generate a project skeleton
6b. augment the "run" button as needed (in rails's case, for example,
starting up the webserver and/or reloading all the code)

The common view of an IDE is as something that helps people with
*language* features, but I think an even bigger win for a newcomer is
something that helps setup and maintain an environment within which he
can write code.

martin

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com> wrote:

He does raise a good point - it would be nice to have a classic 3 pane
IDE (files, program text, output window) that bundled a copy of ruby
in an all-in-one installer, so that you just launched it, typed in
some code, ran it, and saved it when you were happy with it. It
needn't be very powerful in the grand scheme of things, just trivial
to install and run "hello world" from.

So, a package like NetBeans 6.9, then, which includes an IDE (I don't
think that a total newby to programming should have to deal with a
full fledged IDE, though, considering the mental overhead *that*
introduces), and a JRuby runtime, all in one installer.

33

does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
James Nathan

···

--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Sebastian Bachmann <sebastian.bachmann@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sebastian Bachmann <sebastian.bachmann@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 10:14 AM

Are you working with Windows?

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On Dienstag, 12. April 2011 at 18:11, Martin DeMello wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Phillip Gawlowski > <cmdjackryan@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, how, in your opinion, can we make it easier for you to get
> started? IOW, what do you expect to have, when you download a Ruby
> installer?

He does raise a good point - it would be nice to have a classic 3 pane
IDE (files, program text, output window) that bundled a copy of ruby
in an all-in-one installer, so that you just launched it, typed in
some code, ran it, and saved it when you were happy with it. It
needn't be very powerful in the grand scheme of things, just trivial
to install and run "hello world" from.

martin

34

No.

-- vincent

···

On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:

does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
James Nathan

35

Not even slightly. The *only* thing you need to install that is not
already on your MS Windows computer when you get it out of the box should
be the Ruby distribution itself. You can edit code in Notepad if you
want to (but stay away from MS Word for editing code of any kind).

···

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:27:06AM +0900, James Nathan wrote:

does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?

--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

36

Hi all,

I'm working with James Nathan to get him up and running.

As an investment in future knowledge, I just installed FreeRIDE on Windows 7
x64, and whilst the text editor opened just fine it wouldn't actually run a
ruby program. The editor window hung with a "not responding" error.

best

James

···

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:

> does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
> James Nathan

No.

-- vincent

37

FreeRIDE hasn't been worked on in years, and can be considered
obsolete. NetBeans is on the heavy side, but is probably your best bet
right now.

martin

···

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm working with James Nathan to get him up and running.

As an investment in future knowledge, I just installed FreeRIDE on Windows 7
x64, and whilst the text editor opened just fine it wouldn't actually run a
ruby program. The editor window hung with a "not responding" error.

best

James

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:

> does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
> James Nathan

No.

-- vincent

38

And RadRails is worth a look too, if you're specifically interested in
rails development.

martin

···

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com> wrote:

FreeRIDE hasn't been worked on in years, and can be considered
obsolete. NetBeans is on the heavy side, but is probably your best bet
right now.

martin

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm working with James Nathan to get him up and running.

As an investment in future knowledge, I just installed FreeRIDE on Windows 7
x64, and whilst the text editor opened just fine it wouldn't actually run a
ruby program. The editor window hung with a "not responding" error.

best

James

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:

> does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
> James Nathan

No.

-- vincent

39

maybe that is why I am having such a hard time with it. but the other Ruby Programs to see if they are up and running.
James Nathan

···

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Cc: "James" <oscartheduck@gmail.com>, "Vincent Manis" <vmanis@telus.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:06 PM

FreeRIDE hasn't been worked on in years, and can be considered
obsolete. NetBeans is on the heavy side, but is probably your best bet
right now.

martin

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm working with James Nathan to get him up and running.

As an investment in future knowledge, I just installed FreeRIDE on Windows 7
x64, and whilst the text editor opened just fine it wouldn't actually run a
ruby program. The editor window hung with a "not responding" error.

best

James

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> wrote:

On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:

> does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
> James Nathan

No.

-- vincent

40

My tactic when introducing new folks to ruby is to not shy away from the
notepad+cmd approach. I might recommend a better text editor, sure, but
ultimately I think there's a lot of value to being comfortable with your
tools and OS.

···

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com>wrote:

And RadRails is worth a look too, if you're specifically interested in
rails development.

Aptana.com | Axway

martin

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com> > wrote:
> FreeRIDE hasn't been worked on in years, and can be considered
> obsolete. NetBeans is on the heavy side, but is probably your best bet
> right now.
>
> martin
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM, James <oscartheduck@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm working with James Nathan to get him up and running.
>>
>> As an investment in future knowledge, I just installed FreeRIDE on
Windows 7
>> x64, and whilst the text editor opened just fine it wouldn't actually
run a
>> ruby program. The editor window hung with a "not responding" error.
>>
>> best
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Vincent Manis <vmanis@telus.net> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-04-12, at 18:27, James Nathan wrote:
>>>
>>> > does ruby need the visual studio 2008 to run?
>>> > James Nathan
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> -- vincent
>>>
>>>
>>
>