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On May 9, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Gavin Kistner wrote:
On May 9, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
I was lost in finding proper place in RubyGarden Wiki. Sigh.
Can someone create a new page there please?I've placed it at:
http://rubygarden.org/ruby?RenamingSingletonClass
David A. Black wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2005, Steven Jenkins wrote:
Has anyone suggested 'essential class'? The word 'essential' is often
used to mean 'indispensible', but 'constituting or being part of the
essence of something; inherent' seems like precisely what we're getting
at here.Actually the singleton class embodies more the non-inherent -- i.e.,
the acquired -- properties of a class. I don't think one can acquire
one's essence; one just has it. And "essence" also, to me, suggests
something permanent and unchanging in the midst, perhaps, of
superficial change. That too is not a good fit for the dynamic,
in-the-moment singleton behavior of Ruby objects.
Well, sure, but no word means precisely that. As in all jargon, we need a word that's suggestive without being misleading. The real meaning doesn't come from the word itself; we're just trying to attach a convenient handle to a pre-existing meaning.
Steve
Gavin Kistner wrote:
>
>>
>>> I was lost in finding proper place in RubyGarden Wiki. Sigh.
>>> Can someone create a new page there please?
>>>
>>
>> I've placed it at:
>> http://rubygarden.org/ruby?RenamingSingletonClass
>
> OK, I'm done throwing content into that page. Those still interested in
> this discussion, would you please summarize your 'yay' and 'nay' votes
> as bullet points at the bottom of the page?
>
I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.
People who learn ruby will need to learn the concept of these classes
anyway and there is really no sense in trying to cram all of that info
into *one word* in a vain attempt to make it immediately understandable
to people with no background. So just teach them a new word; that will
make it easier to discuss within the group and will reduce confusion
outside of it. My primary votes will go to the 'nonsense' words.
That, and I like the connotations of 'mu' plus it is fun to say!
mu mu muuuuu mu muuu mu
E
On May 9, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Gavin Kistner wrote:
>> On May 9, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
--
template<typename duck>
void quack(duck& d) { d.quack(); }
Gavin Kistner wrote:
I was lost in finding proper place in RubyGarden Wiki. Sigh.
Can someone create a new page there please?I've placed it at:
http://rubygarden.org/ruby?RenamingSingletonClass
can you please place a link to this thread (ruby-talk archives)?
OK, I'm done throwing content into that page. Those still interested in this discussion, would you please summarize your 'yay' and 'nay' votes as bullet points at the bottom of the page?
please note:
The new term will not selected by democracy (vote).
It results out of research, reasoning and rationality.
..
On May 9, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Gavin Kistner wrote:
On May 9, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
...which leads to #muumuu -- the sort of thing you only wear around the house 
-austin
On 5/9/05, ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> wrote:
People who learn ruby will need to learn the concept of these classes
anyway and there is really no sense in trying to cram all of that info
into *one word* in a vain attempt to make it immediately understandable
to people with no background. So just teach them a new word; that will
make it easier to discuss within the group and will reduce confusion
outside of it. My primary votes will go to the 'nonsense' words.That, and I like the connotations of 'mu' plus it is fun to say!
mu mu muuuuu mu muuu mu
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
* Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca
ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> writes:
Gavin Kistner wrote:
I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.People who learn ruby will need to learn the concept of these classes
anyway and there is really no sense in trying to cram all of that info
into *one word* in a vain attempt to make it immediately understandable
to people with no background. So just teach them a new word; that will
make it easier to discuss within the group and will reduce confusion
outside of it. My primary votes will go to the 'nonsense' words.That, and I like the connotations of 'mu' plus it is fun to say!
mu mu muuuuu mu muuu mu
Does a cow have buddha nature?
ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> writes:
I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.
No.
Wait no, that's not an Ilias-like monosyllabic answer. It's the
actual meaning of "mu" in, well, Japanese (and Chinese). Using a
nonsense word is a good suggestion, except that your suggested
word is unfortunately not nonsense. 
For example, "mu-sen" is
the Japanese word for "wireless"--literally, "no lines".
Saying "the no-class" is even more confusing than "the singleton
class", in my opinion.
--Dave
--
"Kids have it easy today. All they have to listen to is stories about
how back in the '70s we had to listen to stories about how bad it was
back in the '30s."
-- Keith Lynch
ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> writes:
Gavin Kistner wrote:
I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.People who learn ruby will need to learn the concept of these classes
anyway and there is really no sense in trying to cram all of that info
into *one word* in a vain attempt to make it immediately understandable
to people with no background. So just teach them a new word; that will
make it easier to discuss within the group and will reduce confusion
outside of it. My primary votes will go to the 'nonsense' words.That, and I like the connotations of 'mu' plus it is fun to say!
mu mu muuuuu mu muuu mu
Does a cow have buddha nature?
The more important question: does Buddha have a cow nature?
E
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
E
Le 9/5/2005, "Christian Neukirchen" <chneukirchen@gmail.com> a écrit:
--
template<typename duck>
void quack(duck& d) { d.quack(); }
Dave Brown wrote:
ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> writes:
I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.
No.
Wait no, that's not an Ilias-like monosyllabic answer. It's the
actual meaning of "mu" in, well, Japanese (and Chinese). Using a
nonsense word is a good suggestion, except that your suggested
word is unfortunately not nonsense.
the Japanese word for "wireless"--literally, "no lines".Saying "the no-class" is even more confusing than "the singleton
class", in my opinion.
#pouch
--Dave
E
--
template<typename duck>
void quack(duck& d) { d.quack(); }
#pouch keeps growing on me. go pouch!
On 5/10/05, ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:
> ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org> writes:
>
>>I tossed in one additional suggestion, #mu.
>
>
> No.
>
> Wait no, that's not an Ilias-like monosyllabic answer. It's the
> actual meaning of "mu" in, well, Japanese (and Chinese). Using a
> nonsense word is a good suggestion, except that your suggested
> word is unfortunately not nonsense.
> the Japanese word for "wireless"--literally, "no lines".
>
> Saying "the no-class" is even more confusing than "the singleton
> class", in my opinion.#pouch
> --Dave
E
--
template<typename duck>
void quack(duck& d) { d.quack(); }
its not a bloody kangaroo 
On 5/11/05, Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@gmail.com> wrote:
#pouch keeps growing on me. go pouch!
--
spooq
Hi --
#pouch keeps growing on me. go pouch!
I know this is a name brainstorming thing, not an implementation
thing, but I still wonder: what exactly would an object's "pouch" be?
A class or module? Or some new, third thing? Would there be a Pouch
class? How would one add methods and/or constants to the pouch?
pouch << obj
or
obj.pouch.pouch_eval { }
?
(Of course methods can be add with def obj.meth, but that doesn't
provide the complete class-scope functionality.)
Actually this isn't so much an implementation thing as an explanation
thing: how would one explain how to do this, and how far would one
have to travel away from Ruby's class/module design to do so?
David
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Logan Capaldo wrote:
--
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net