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“Berger, Daniel” email@example.com wrote in message
Right now? None that I’m aware of. This is why I’d like to see ActiveState
Ruby - it promotes the language by getting PHB’s to use it.
/me thinks of writing up a proposal to ActiveState. What’s Vancouver like,
Vancouver’s great - could stand to be a tad more cosmopolitan if
you’re used to, say, New York or Chicago, but it’s hard to beat the
combination of city, sea, and mountains. And the ActiveState offices
Yeah, Vancouver is great and plenty cosomopolitan for my taste…
It’s kind of spendy though…
Last time I talked to them, they seemed skeptical about the commercial
viability of supporting Ruby, but things have picked up speed since
then and perhaps they’re reevaluating by now…
I suspect that they’re not currently hiring, though (same reason most
other places aren’t hiring right now [at least not hiring permanent
employees, that is]). Their website lists a couple of openings, both
are in sales and marketing, not development openings. When I contacted
them over a year ago about openings for Ruby developers the person I heard
back from said that they were interested in working on Ruby but that they
had to wait for a more favorable business climate before they could
take on a new language. Well, the business climate is, if anything, worse
than it was a year ago.
No, I don’t think we can depend on ActiveState to give us a ‘commercially
supported’ Ruby (that works well on Windoze too). I’ll echo the
sentiments of others here: I’m not sure that we really need a
’commercially supported’ Ruby, and ISO900X is pretty much useless or
worse. Community support, in my experience, is actually much better than
coporate support (but, of course it’s hard to convice the PHBs of this).
That said, I wonder if we as a community can do for Ruby what ActiveState
has done for Perl and Python - that is, provide a nicely packaged version
for Windows. I think Andrew Hunt has done a wonderful job with the Ruby
Windows package he has put together, but as several threads have recently
pointed out, there is still a lot more to be done.
At any rate, I think the main point I want to get across here is that we
shouldn’t be waiting for ActiveState to come along and do all of this for
us - I don’t think it’s gonna happen. I believe that ActiveState receives
a good bit of their support from Microsoft - without that support I wonder
if they could even survive with their current business model. I really
don’t understand why anyone would use ActiveState (Perl|Python|Tcl|Ruby?)
on, say, Linux, but it does offer a lot of “added value” under Windows.
So, What would it take to bring our current Ruby for Windows package up to
the level of what ActiveState is providing for Perl or Python on Windows?
Avi Bryant firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: