Devin Mullins ha scritto:
An advantage that the web forum adds is that it sorts threads by date of most recent posting, rather than first post. (I wish Thunderbird had that option.)
is'nt that what you get by clicking on "date"?
James Edward Gray II wrote:
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On Nov 13, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
> Why, exactly? People may use any method they prefer, but what's
> wrong with ruby-talk.org, google-groups, gmane, the newsgroup
> gateway, or the actual mailing list?
I could list a whole lot of things I find very wrong with gmane...
What about google-groups?
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Hm? Filters for headers? As I said, the public archives pretty much
have the email addresses. The only distinction is that they have
replaced '@' with ' '. It's, quite honestly, something that probably
isn't worth the coding time to change at this point.
-austin
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On 11/14/05, Nathaniel S. H. Brown <nshb@inimit.com> wrote:
Having one less place where spam filters can grab my email address, I would
indeed like to see addedThe public archives *hopefully* have filters for headers that prevent this
sort of thing, but in any case, this is something that should be done by
default. Google has implemented this as well.
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andreas wrote:
j-merrill wrote:
What's the story about getting to older threads?
Thanks. Why not have a link to that (and the prev and next) and the
bottom and/or top of each page?
BTW, the anchor is working fine. Thanks for this effort.
Note that I am still getting the mails, because I can use "X1 Desktop
Search" on them. Have you considered using David Balmain's "Ferret" to
provide a search mechanism for the forum?
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gabriele renzi wrote:
Devin Mullins ha scritto:
An advantage that the web forum adds is that it sorts threads by date of most recent posting, rather than first post. (I wish Thunderbird had that option.)
is'nt that what you get by clicking on "date"?
In unthreaded mode, all the posts are intermingled. Right now, I'm looking at Re: Rmagic 1.9, Re: Heirarchy T.., Re: [ANN] Ferret, Re: rubycocoa, Re: Forum, etc. in the message index pane. I prefer, actually, to sort by Order Received because senders' mail clients often lie (or are confused) about the current datetime.
In threaded mode, posts are grouped together and put in pretty threads. However, a thread that was created at the dawn of time stays at the very bottom my list, even if it was just replied to a minute ago. Since I only read about 30% of ruby-talk, that means I'd never notice it, 'cause it's just another old unread message. Rather, if threads were sorted by *most* recent posting, I'd see it as I scroll by the new posts, and get to decide what I want to do with it. (You can argue about the utility of this feature with yourself, but it is [AFAIK] different from what Thunderbird provides.)
Devin
I didn't see the Rails mailing list there. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
James Edward Gray II
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On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Lyndon Samson wrote:
I allways found this http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ruby-talk&r=1&w=2
pretty good.
The Rails mailing list is on Google Groups??? Excellent! Can I have a link please?
James Edward Gray II
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On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
What about google-groups?
There is: at the top-right of the list there is a "<< Page X >>" where
the << and >> are links to the previous and next pages (absent when
not applicable). Adding a similar construct to the bottom of the list
may be worth looking in to.
Jacob Fugal
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On 11/16/05, J. Merrill <jvm_cop@spamcop.net> wrote:
andreas wrote:
> j-merrill wrote:
>
>> What's the story about getting to older threads?
>
> http://www.ruby-forum.com/forum/4?page=2Thanks. Why not have a link to that (and the prev and next) and the
bottom and/or top of each page?
j-merrill wrote:
andreas wrote:
j-merrill wrote:
What's the story about getting to older threads?
Thanks. Why not have a link to that (and the prev and next) and the
bottom and/or top of each page?
There is a link.
BTW, the anchor is working fine. Thanks for this effort.
Note that I am still getting the mails, because I can use "X1 Desktop
Search" on them. Have you considered using David Balmain's "Ferret" to
provide a search mechanism for the forum?
There already is a search mechanism, currently using simple SQL LIKE
matching. Other available search backends are MySql boolean search and
Odeum.
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james wrote:
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On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
What about google-groups?
The Rails mailing list is on Google Groups??? Excellent! Can I have
a link please?James Edward Gray II
This one?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby?hl=en
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James Edward Gray II wrote:
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On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
> What about google-groups?
The Rails mailing list is on Google Groups??? Excellent! Can I have
a link please?
Ah.
Still, I don't see the point of having ruby-talk in forum form?
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Devin Mullins ha scritto:
<snip>
thanks now I understand what you mean
An advantage that the web forum adds is that it sorts threads by date
of most recent posting, rather than first post. (I wish Thunderbird
had that option.)is'nt that what you get by clicking on "date"?
In unthreaded mode, all the posts are intermingled. Right now, I'm
looking at Re: Rmagic 1.9, Re: Heirarchy T.., Re: [ANN] Ferret, Re:
rubycocoa, Re: Forum, etc. in the message index pane. I prefer,
actually, to sort by Order Received because senders' mail clients often
lie (or are confused) about the current datetime.
Or the machines they run on. As I recall from the days I used elm to read my
mail and most ppl replied from PCs using a puny form of DOS or win31 that
hadn't even heard of NTP. But an occasional high rate of writing emails.
Or clients that ignore the IDs that are put in various headers to make
threading easier (that's where google mail gets bonus points).
In threaded mode, posts are grouped together and put in pretty threads.
However, a thread that was created at the dawn of time stays at the very
bottom my list, even if it was just replied to a minute ago. Since I
only read about 30% of ruby-talk, that means I'd never notice it, 'cause
it's just another old unread message. Rather, if threads were sorted by
*most* recent posting, I'd see it as I scroll by the new posts, and get
to decide what I want to do with it. (You can argue about the utility of
this feature with yourself, but it is [AFAIK] different from what
Thunderbird provides.)
That's what you would use scoring for, or delete a thread that is not
interesting, or other ways of archiving. mutt provides me with TAB to go to
New mails (or old&unread if there's no New mail).
I read ruby-lang on usenet, because I prefer pulling for such a (reasonably)
high volume list. gmail is out because it represents threads as lists, not
as trees.
IMHO, it's in the tools, not in another archive that holds the same content.
Bye,
Kero.
Nope. That's the Ruby Talk mailing list, which I already have bookmarked. It's the "Rails mailing list" I can't find there... 
James Edward Gray II
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On Nov 14, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Pavel Sokolov wrote:
james wrote:
On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
What about google-groups?
The Rails mailing list is on Google Groups??? Excellent! Can I have
a link please?James Edward Gray II
This one?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby?hl=en
elgato wrote:
james wrote:
What about google-groups?
The Rails mailing list is on Google Groups??? Excellent! Can I have
a link please?James Edward Gray II
This one?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby?hl=enPS
no. nethermind. sorry for noise
Kero wrote:
> In threaded mode, posts are grouped together and put in pretty
> threads. However, a thread that was created at the dawn of time
> stays at the very bottom my list, even if it was just replied to a
> minute ago. Since I only read about 30% of ruby-talk, that means I'd
> never notice it, 'cause it's just another old unread message.
> Rather, if threads were sorted by *most* recent posting, I'd see it
> as I scroll by the new posts, and get to decide what I want to do
> with it. (You can argue about the utility of this feature with
> yourself, but it is [AFAIK] different from what Thunderbird
> provides.)
That's what you would use scoring for, or delete a thread that is not
interesting, or other ways of archiving. mutt provides me with TAB to
go to New mails (or old&unread if there's no New mail).
I agree.
I read ruby-lang on usenet, because I prefer pulling for such a
(reasonably) high volume list. gmail is out because it represents
threads as lists, not as trees.
Yes, I've long been thinking of reinstalling slrn and going the usenet
way for this list instead. But as more and more usenet servers are
closing, it really hasn't been an alternative. It'd be nice if Google'd
provide an NNTP service.
The really perverted way of reading ruby-lang is reading it through
GMANE's NNTP server :-).
IMHO, it's in the tools, not in another archive that holds the same
content.
Yes, so far that's what I've been thinking for every suggestion for
improvement (to the forum) that has come up in this thread. Still,
perhaps not everyone is comfortable in using mutt. I wouldn't know why,
but that may be so. I'm uncomfortable in using anything _but_ mutt, but
that's me.
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Kero wrote:
That's what you would use scoring for, or delete a thread that is not
interesting, or other ways of archiving. mutt provides me with TAB to go to
New mails (or old&unread if there's no New mail).
No, it's what *you* would use those things for. None of them (I Googled to find out what scoring is) suit my needs/taste adequately. Nonetheless, why are we arguing about an off-hand Thunderbird feature request I made on this list?
IMHO, it's in the tools, not in another archive that holds the same content.
What is mutt, but another (local) archive that holds the same content? What makes the web forum view not just another tool?
Devin
Devin Mullins wrote:
Kero wrote:
> That's what you would use scoring for, or delete a thread that is
> not interesting, or other ways of archiving. mutt provides me with
> TAB to go to New mails (or old&unread if there's no New mail).
No, it's what *you* would use those things for. None of them (I
Googled to find out what scoring is) suit my needs/taste adequately.
Nonetheless, why are we arguing about an off-hand Thunderbird feature
request I made on this list?
Scoring is precisely what you described yourself. You can give
messages/threads positive and negative scores depending on various
attributes of said entity.
nikolai
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You guys all need imap + a mail client that threads well. I'm on dovecot+Mail.app(+postfix+procmail), and it's just fine. Use Thunderbird sometimes too. Whatever...
For those of you that can't get such a setup, use wtf you want, webforum, nntp, imap, pop3, straight up mail, whatever who cares.
--Steve
IMHO, it's in the tools, not in another archive that holds the same content.
What is mutt, but another (local) archive that holds the same content?
What makes the web forum view not just another tool?
mutt is a local tool for a local copy. It does not need to scale, because it
is an endpoint. my endpoint.
a webbased forum is a public proxy for an already complicated
newsgroup-mailinglist combo. The fact that it is possible to make this does
not make it a good idea by itself.
The specific argument I responded to is like "it provides me the view on the
list I never had" and that's IMHO an *extremely* thin argument.
The reason behind all this is that I fear needless fragmentation. The Ruby
community grows, it will have to fragment to some extent, we can't populate
a mailing list with ten times more people. Rails split off the main lists,
main IRC, even gets its own conference. Fine, it seems a clear cut
distinction (but given all other useful web frameworks in Ruby, I doubt it
deserves to be this clear cut).
We have to be critical of new development.
Kero.